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2020.03.13 19:57 zenits The official r/indieheads coronavirus megathread: Tour and festival cancellations, and other useful information

After a massive increase in tour and festival cancellations due to the coronavirus, the mod team has decided to aggregate all the information related to the coronavirus into one megathread, including cancellations, bans on gatherings, safety information, and information on supporting musicians and venues. From now on, please post all coronavirus-related information to this thread.
All sources are linked at the name of the artist, festival, or location. I’ll try updating the post regularly to include any news / additional information from the comments.

Tours cancelled and postponed

This list doesn't include bands that only cancelled 1 or 2 shows due to local regulations - for that, please see the section below
AJJ: March dates with Xiu Xiu postponed
Against Me: Tour with Stef Chura postponed
Andy Shauf: European shows postponed to dates between August and November
Arca: USA and Canada dates postponed
Best Coast: North American tour postponed
Blood Orange: USA and Canada dates postponed
Bombay Bicycle Club: European tour postponed
Brittany Howard: March shows postponed
Caribou: March and April shows postponed
Chelsea Wolfe: European tour cancelled
City and Colour: Australian tour and South American shows postponed
COIN: North American tour rescheduled to May and June
Corridor: US tour cancelled
Dan Croll: Several European and North American shows rescheduled to September
Danny Brown: European tour postponed
Deafheaven: North American tour postponed
Destroyer: North American tour with Nap Eyes cancelled
DIIV: European tour cancelled
Frances Quinlan: Tour cancelled
Frankie Cosmos: Australia and New Zealand tour postponed
Grouplove: North American tour postponed
IDLES: South American and US tour cancelled - Mexico still on
Japanese Breakfast: All upcoming shows rescheduled to June
Jay Som: European tour cancelled
Jenny Hval: North American tour postponed
Jens Lekman: All American shows cancelled
Jon Hopkins: European tour postponed
Keane: North American tour cancelled
La Dispute: European tour postponed
Martha: European tour postponed
Microwave: US shows cancelled or postponed
Metronomy: European tour rescheduled to September and October
Moon Duo: March tour cancelled
Mount Eerie: April tour cancelled
Orville Peck: All remaining shows of the Luck tour postponed
Palace: UK tour cancelled
Pinegrove: European tour postponed
Pixies: Australian tour postponed
Poppy: European tour postponed
Porridge Radio: US shows in March moved to August
Post Animal: US tour postponed
Protomartyr: Some North American shows cancelled
R.A.P. Ferreira (fka Milo): Purple Moonlight Pages tour cancelled
Ratboys: All March and April shows cancelled
Rex Orange County: all European shows cancelled
(Sandy) Alex G: US spring tour postponed
Say Hi: Tour rescheduled to September and October
Screaming Females: US West Coast shows cancelled
Sløtface: European tour postponed
Slow Crush: European tour with Cult Dream cancelled
Soccer Mommy: North American tour postponed
Stephen Malkmus: March / April shows postponed
Stereolab: Shows in Japan, Philippines and China cancelled
Temples: European tour postponed
Tennis: All West Coast tour dates until 8 April cancelled
The Growlers: March dates postponed
The Murder Capital: North American tour postponed
The National: Tokyo shows cancelled
They Might Be Giants: March and April shows moved to September and December
Thom Yorke: North American tour postponed
Thundercat: North American tour cancelled after Minneapolis
TNGHT: European tour postponed to July
Tom Rosenthal: Scandinavia tour postponed
Tropical Fuck Storm: US tour postponed
Watsky: North American tour cancelled
Wilco: Several March/April tour dates postponed
Wolf Parade: European tour postponed
Wye Oak: West Coast tour postponed to July
Yumi Zouma: North American tour cancelled
Yung Guv: Shows with White Reaper cancelled / postponed

Miscellaneous cancellations and postponements

Big Ears: cancelled
Coachella: postponed to the weekends of 9 and 16 October
Mission Creek Festival: cancelled
Record Store Day: postponed to 20 June
Rewire: cancelled
SXSW: cancelled
Treefort Festival: postponed to 23-27 September

State/regional bans on large gatherings

North America:

Alberta: All gatherings of over 250 people
British Columbia: All gatherings of over 250 people
California: All gatherings of over 250 people
Connecticut: All gatherings of over 50 people
Illinois: All gatherings of over 50 people
Maryland: All gatherings of over 250 people
New Mexico: All gatherings of over 100 people
New Jersey: All gatherings of over 50 people
New York: All gatherings of over 50 people
Ohio: All gatherings of over 100 people
Oregon: All gatherings of over 250 people
Utah: All gatherings over 100 people
Quebec: All gatherings of over 250 people
Washington: Gatherings of over 250 people in 3 counties


Austria: Indoor events of over 100, and outdoor events of over 500 people
Czechia: All public gatherings of over 100 people
Estonia: All public gatherings
Finland: All gatherings of over 500 people
France: All gatherings of over 100 people
Germany: Gatherings of over 1000 people in 7 states
Hungary: All events
Ireland: Indoor events of over 100, and outdoor events of over 500 people
Italy: All public gatherings
Latvia: All gatherings of over 200 people
Lithuania: All gatherings of over 100 people
Netherlands: All gatherings of over 100 people
Scotland: All gatherings of over 500 people
Slovakia: All public gatherings
Sweden: All gatherings of over 500 people
Ukraine: All public gatherings

Rest of the world:

Australia: All gatherings of over 500 people
Bolivia: All gatherings of over 1000 people
Kenya: All public gatherings
Peru: All gatherings of over 300 people

Other information

Health advice & public safety information

Please don’t get your information from Reddit posts, and refer to the resources provided by experts instead. For reference, here are links to the advice from the World Health Organisation and the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control, as well as the CDC (United States), the NHS (UK), the Canadian Government, the Australian Department of Health, RIVM (Netherlands) and the German Ministry of Health - just to cover the countries that use indieheads the most.

Supporting musicians and venues

(I nicked most of this list from this post.)
A big chunk of artists’ revenues comes from live gigs, as well as the merch sales attached to those tours. Without that revenue stream, artists may struggle financially. Similarly, without shows, many of the venues, especially the smaller ones, may experience serious financial difficulties. Here are things that you can do to support them if you can afford to:
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2020.01.28 15:23 jw_mentions /r/antiMLM - "Take your pitch somewhere else hun!!!"

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Author M3ntallyDiseas3d
Posted On Wed Jan 29 00:02:34 UTC 2020
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Yes I would love to spread awareness of their disgusting and predatory practices. Thanks for asking. JWs have to report field service time every month. One way they do it (especially if elderly or during inclement weather) a group get together. They read the obituaries and look up the survivors’ addresses. Then they send the survivors a form letter and a tract.
I was forced to join one of these letter writing parties. I went through the motions of writing the distasteful letters but never mailed them. Some n my congregation also hung out at cemeteries and approached visitors with their magazines or tracts.
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Author TheHermitess
Posted On Tue Jan 28 14:27:07 UTC 2020
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I didn't even have to take my clothes off when they came to my door. I don't know if it's a coincidence, but they asked me "Do you believe the bible is relevant for today," (no greeting, no introduction.) I said "Which Bible?" They said "Any bible." I said, "The real Bible is still relevant for today but not the bastardized version Jehovah's Witnesses use to control their members." And they literally gasped and left. It kind of confused me, because I was calm and while that's not a very nice response, it's not like I was naked or Satanic or something. I don't know, maybe they were just super sensitive?
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Author jamoche_2
Posted On Tue Jan 28 17:02:31 UTC 2020
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The last time the JWs showed up was the day my new puppy went to her first obedience class. It had been muddy, so she'd gone straight into the tub for a rinse. We'd just finished when the JWs knocked.
When an untrained cocker spaniel meets new people, there's only one thing that's going to happen: she popped right up for head scritches and left wet pawprints on their knees. That was over 20 years ago and they haven't been back.
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Author JoeSmithDiesAtTheEnd
Posted On Tue Jan 28 07:07:51 UTC 2020
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It's worth also learning what your city laws are for door to door soliciting.
In my city, all salesman are legally required to have a permit and badge. They are also legally required to honor no soliciting signs. If I ever open the door for a solicitor I ask "please show me your solicitation permit." Usually they'll turn around and walk away immediately as they rarely have one. This can result in hefty fines if their business is reported. And will result in a loss of their permit if they have one and ignore no soliciting signs.
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Author Andrusela
Posted On Wed Jan 29 03:16:26 UTC 2020
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Haven't seen a JW in a long time, knock on wood. Back when I was young and naive I made the mistake of letting one in once and trying to reason with her. She hounded me for weeks after. Lesson learned. These days it is mostly people trying to sell me aluminum siding or lawn chemicals or other bullshit I don't need.
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Author TrueMegaManiac
Posted On Tue Jan 28 17:19:19 UTC 2020
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I've never had that either. What kind of neighborhood do you live in? I think they tend to not serve anything other than suburbs door-to-door. If it looks even remotely sketch(broken down cars, chainlink fencing with boards in some places, wood that doesn't look taken care of) they will tend to avoid those places.
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Author WolfNorthern
Posted On Tue Jan 28 12:51:31 UTC 2020
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We had Jehovah's witnesses come knocking on our door on CHRISTMAS FRICKING EVE at ungodly hours, and they kept ringing our door bell for like 15 minutes, waking our dog up who started barking at them, finally turning them away.
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Author M3ntallyDiseas3d
Posted On Wed Jan 29 00:11:37 UTC 2020
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This is typical JW behavior, at least from my own experience. They have no boundaries or manners. They have no social skills and do not respect anyone’s privacy. My husband sees nothing wrong with bothering people while they’re shopping or filling their cars with gas. Yet he gets angry when we go to Sam’s club and are approached by the home improvement, wireless and solar sales people. We’ve gone on walks in our neighborhood and he approaches people with personal questions, then launches into his JW spiel. It’s cringey. I don’t want my neighbors to think I’m a JW.
We have to take back our power. Because they have no manners we have to be the ones to end the conversations and tell them to not come back. Sometimes we have to threaten them with calling the police. We would do it for other salespeople. We have to do it with them else they will keep returning. Do not let them have their self perceived exalted status.
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Author DoctorFlimFlam
Posted On Wed Jan 29 01:15:44 UTC 2020
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I totally understand their sense of urgency. I was raised very religious so that I understand.
What really gets me is ministering to people like that isn't about the person they (not only JW's there are other denominations that can get pretty aggressive) are trying to save from hell. It ends up being about them and that's the part that really bothers me.
In the situation in my driveway, it wasn't about my comfort, the fact that I was being asked very invasive questions in front of my kids and they weren't being respectful to me. What if it were true? What if I was disfellowshiped over something really horrible? Do you honestly think I would feel comfortable discussing that in front of young children? In that moment, me being 'saved' by them wasn't their priority. The priority was them and how THEY are doing gods work. In that respect, being so pushy about it is ultimately selfish. And even though I don't go to church, it doesn't mean I am not going to be a bad example to my kids and tell a couple of church people to fuck off, and it always seems like that's what they are goading me into doing which feels so wrong. Like 'we're just trying to save her, and she is persecuting us because of our Faith'. Yes, Jesus said to minister to the world. He did not say be pushy then claim victim when people tell you to stop.
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Author Godith024
Posted On Tue Jan 28 23:22:00 UTC 2020
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I helped my little sister sell cookies, and we went door to door in the big city about ten years ago, so it really depends on the troop.
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Author M3ntallyDiseas3d
Posted On Tue Jan 28 15:23:57 UTC 2020
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So many reasons! I knew I should have left the moment I started having doubts, but at the time, my boyfriend who I was secretly dating, said that not all congregations were like the one I was in and things would be different once we were married.
I was taught about their shunning policy before I was supposed to learn about it. When I asked about whether or not they shun, I was initially told that they don’t. I was pressured to shun my never JW kids, especially because they were serving in the military.
I learned about case study 29 of the Australian Royal Commission. The Jehovah’s Witnesses covered up thousands of pedophilia cases. They have a Two Witness Rule that elders follow in their “secret” elders handbook, Shepherd the Flock of God that enables them to cover up child sexual abuse. They have punished those who’ve reported the assaults to the police. Rape victims have been disfellowshipped for “pornea.”
This is just a few of the many things that are wrong with this high control religion. If you’re curious check out or exjw.
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Author ValiantValkyrieee
Posted On Tue Jan 28 17:46:12 UTC 2020
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i think it depends on where you are. about 5-10 years ago, girl scouts (and other kids selling things, usually sally foster or the cookie dough) went door to door, usually supervised sometimes not. somewhere along the way parents decided doing that was too dangerous and now set up shop outside stores
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Author M3ntallyDiseas3d
Posted On Tue Jan 28 14:49:23 UTC 2020
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I’m so sorry. I’m a former Jehovah’s Witness and my congregation pressured us to knock on doors during holidays because it was the best chance of finding people home. Then they reveled in their persecution complex because (surprise surprise) no one wanted to be bothered. Personally I thought it was disgusting and rude but I had to go along else I’d be marked.
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Author UnexpectedHaikuBot
Posted On Tue Jan 28 15:11:56 UTC 2020
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Be the change you want
To see, join boy scouts and sell
Popcorn door to door!
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Author TrumpsMerkin201o
Posted On Tue Jan 28 18:09:00 UTC 2020
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Our neighbor's know we love to support kids activities, so usually we get door to door sales.
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Author BerkofRivia
Posted On Tue Jan 28 15:11:51 UTC 2020
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Be the change you want to see, join boy scouts and sell popcorn door to door!
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Author LakeIssue
Posted On Tue Jan 28 07:33:36 UTC 2020
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My boyfriend is a bit of a scruffy looking guy, long curly hair, beard, etc. One time when some Jehovah's Witnesses came by, he answered the door in nothing but his boxers. They legit didn't come back for a few years, I think he scared them.
My dad had one of those evolution fish bumper stickers on his car in the driveway. That deterred some too, and if it didn't, he just politely pointed it out to them and sent them away.
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Author Hypnotoad2966
Posted On Tue Jan 28 15:35:55 UTC 2020
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I haven't seen girl scouts going door to door for years. They mostly post up in grocery store parking lots these days.
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Author DoctorFlimFlam
Posted On Tue Jan 28 18:40:19 UTC 2020
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There used to be this pair of JW's (older lady and younger-ish guy) that would show up at my house every single week. She was super nice but I had told her basically from the get go that I had experienced a tremendous amount of church hurt(non LDS church but whatever), that my faith was my own for the time being, and was not interested in returning to organized religion anytime soon and that I needed some space. She did not take the hint.
A few more months of this lady showing up at random times of the day and I get really frustrated so I looked up the JW term for being ostracized so that she would leave me alone and the next time she showed up at my house I told her I was disfellowshiped and again that I was not interested.
A couple days later, she and this new guy who apparently was some higher up in the church show up at my house and corner me in my driveway. This guy pulls a little notepad out of his pocket and a pen (no joke the same kind you see cops pull from a pocket in detective movie) and start grilling me about my supposed disfellowship, what church, who was involved, what happened, when was this, where was this, I mean, this was in front of my kids who are really little. I was completely taken aback. I had to find the kindest way to politely tell them to buzz off and not to bother us again.
I get the sense of urgency with them that you don't want someone to go to hell, but at what point do you look at yourself and maybe say 'im not respecting this person's privacy or wishes' and maybe leave them alone? I feel bad for being forced to lie to them. That certainly doesn't feel good, but I'm also angry that they tried to grill me in front of my kids.
I haven't seen anyone in quite a while so I'm assuming they just put a Scarlet letter on my house and moved on.
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Author TheHermitess
Posted On Tue Jan 28 15:13:06 UTC 2020
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I spent over a year conversing with a JW when I was a fundamentalist Christian. My husband and I invited her in (she was always with someone, but never the same person twice.) I was naive and just coming at things from a point of what the original Ancient Hebrew and Septuagint verses really meant, and eventually she had someone visiting who was high up in their organization and I still out-debated him from a biblical perspective. I did 4 years at a Christian university, studying the Bible in depth with really knowledgable professors.
I was like, the most nerdy, obsessive, overly educated Bible geek.
But what I got out of it when it was all said and done, was that this woman loved her father more than anything else in her life. He was a great dad, an inspiration, someone who made her who she was, yet she had to cut him out of her life because he wasn't a JW. She hurt for him every day and was in pain, and cried when she talked about him, but used that to prove her point that you have to sacrifice to do Jehovah's will. It really made me wonder why anyone would want to be a part of an organization that causes families that kind of pain. It's unbiblical and unhealthy.
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Author phoebsmon
Posted On Tue Jan 28 15:16:49 UTC 2020
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I gave them a reasoned argument once for why it's wrong to attempt to predict the hour or the day and they looked at me like I had grown seven heads. Wasn't nasty about it or anything. Slamming the door in their face or telling them you're Catholic/a satanist (much of a muchness in a lot of their eyes) may be satisfying in the moment but a worldly person with a biblically sourced opinion can be a bit harder to shake off if they're wavering. It probably made zero difference and they've 90% gone over to the carts here now, but honestly I felt better about the whole thing afterwards. The cart people don't approach me, the local Kingdom Hall must not have a wheelchair ramp or something.
Seriously though, people need to start seeing it for what it is - a high control death cult. They may be a door-knocking meme to most but they're mainly victims of a horrendous organisation that is literally celebrating the deaths of children. I'd rather have the double glazing lads try to sell me shit three times a week than they continue to peddle their apocalyptic nonsense and I already have double glazing. I wish shouting at them worked, I'm argumentative as they come, but it just feeds the persecution complex. I wish they'd all give up when it's obvious whatever ridiculous extension they've given their end of the world predictions is proven wrong, but a large number will just swallow whatever the governing body tells them. I wish everyone knew what they think will happen to those of us with the wrong beliefs when Jesus returns, but they don't mention the burning painful death upfront. Seriously fuck the people at the top who indoctrinated the rest knowing all the ill they were doing to the world. Fuck them sideways.
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Author xen0m0rpheus
Posted On Tue Jan 28 19:10:24 UTC 2020
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This just kinda seems dickish to me, but I’ve never lived somewhere where people are constantly trying to convert me to their religion so I guess this could be fair.
But as a guy who used to go door to door selling window washing in University while running my own little company with 2 friends I would 100% still have knocked. C’mon who doesn’t want their windows to be clean?
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Author AMedievalSilverCat
Posted On Wed Jan 29 12:48:29 UTC 2020
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I've never had them at my door, despite there being a Kingdom Hall about two minutes from here. I must give off doomed Satanic vibes or something.
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Author tulmonster27
Posted On Tue Jan 28 17:39:11 UTC 2020
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I was just thinking about this the other day as a potential response to someone messaging me and trying to sell me something. I would tell them I find it completely inappropriate for door-to-door sellers these days as they are coming to my house, my private and personal space and it feels very intrusive, especially as a female so I don’t even answer the door if I can help it. I’m not going to answer to ppl using my personal social media to sell me crap either.
Edit: omg 2 minutes after I wrote this, I saw a man walking up to my door and said, “oh sh!t” thinking it was a salesman...luckily it was just the amazon delivery me paranoid now! 🤣
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Author fertdirt
Posted On Tue Jan 28 20:53:32 UTC 2020
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Suburbs of Los Angeles. My Facebook feed is filled with pictures of cookie-filled garages and Girl Scouts getting ready to go door to door.
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Does god not punish child molesters or something? What the fuck.
Not sure if you might be in therapy at all from the brainwashing but I wish you luck in life!
I briefly met an ex-JW while getting mental treatment and it broke my heart that she was basically exiled from everything she knew because she wanted to divorce her abusive husband. She had nothing and was demonized to her kids and everybody she knew, because she didn't know anybody who wasn't a JW. It was why she attempted suicide in the first place, and it took her a while to feel "free" because she missed her kids so much. It was so cruel, I don't know how a "good" person could treat somebody that way. :(
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Author TheHermitess
Posted On Tue Jan 28 14:21:24 UTC 2020
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I'm sure the Org thanks him. The reason JW's go to your door isn't to recruit your boyfriend, it's to prove to the JW's that non-believers are controlled by Satan. Now they can go back to their safe Kingdom Hall and be grateful to be with safe, good people. It's a control tactic cults use to keep their people in.
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Author mst3k_42
Posted On Tue Jan 28 17:56:10 UTC 2020
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My next door neighbor’s two little girls just went door to door selling Girl Scout cookies. But our neighborhood is pretty small and most people know each other.
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Author Diastrophus
Posted On Tue Jan 28 22:07:41 UTC 2020
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Growing up our neighborhood JWs would do this to us EVERY Christmas morning until my dad snapped one year. He answered the door cheerfully, naked, and speaking fondly of the power of nudism. I was horrified. They did not return again and their kids said they weren’t allowed to talk to me after that.
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Author aliie_627
Posted On Tue Jan 28 17:47:29 UTC 2020
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Gated community and sub division. My kids dad lives in a neighborhood of nothing but cul-de-sac and he gets a good amount of door to door kids selling things. Parents or big brothers/sisters tend to go with them.
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Author Ptown_Down
Posted On Tue Jan 28 16:37:32 UTC 2020
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Do MLMs go door to door anymore? I know Amway did in the 80's and 90's a bit, but it seems like there strategy was to always make it more of a personal connection rather than a doorstep pitch.
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Author M3ntallyDiseas3d
Posted On Tue Jan 28 14:45:11 UTC 2020
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As a former Jehovah’s Witness I can attest to this. I was in field service with a car group, and when I pointed out a “no soliciting” sign at an apartment complex, the elder in charge of us told us to ignore it because we weren’t selling anything. We were “saving lives.”
Even after a manager told us to leave, the elder had us split up and told us to sneak into the buildings. Management threatened us with the police after that. We stopped but the elder said he knew Jehovah was smiling down on us for the persecution we were experiencing.
They also made us knock on doors during holidays. Don’t get me started on the letter writing parties to survivors found in obituaries.
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Author Gypped_Again
Posted On Tue Jan 28 09:14:46 UTC 2020
Score 109 as of Thu Jan 30 04:58:59 UTC 2020
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I used to get Jehovah's Witnesses by the house once or twice every week. I had a no soliciting sign, SUPER annoying since about half the time they were waking me up after I had just gone to bed (I basically work 3rd shift). I would answer in boxers all the time, made no nevermind to them.
I got absolutely sick of it, warned them I was going to start not bothering to throw on clothes when I answered the door. Next time they showed up, I answered completely starkers. They didn't bother me for months. They came back again after they forgot about it, I answered in my birthday suit again.
I haven't had them knock on my door again in almost 9 years now.
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Author Gelven
Posted On Tue Jan 28 15:11:08 UTC 2020
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Do they sell their popcorn door to door?
If so I'd make an adjustment
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Author Korzag
Posted On Tue Jan 28 17:07:33 UTC 2020
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Where do you live that girlscouts go door-to-door selling cookies? In my 30 years on this planet, I have never once had a girl scout ring our doorbell and sell us cookies. They've always been hanging out in front of grocery stores
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Posted On Tue Jan 28 15:24:09 UTC 2020
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Here's a sneak peek of /exjw using the top posts of the year!
#1: When I was 18, I brought home a pamphlet for this nursing school, only to have it thrown in my face and lectured about the importance of serving Jehovah. 3 years later, I went anyway. You can now call me apostate nurse Emily! 302 comments #2: Had my first birthday party at 26. I was a unicorn for it cause why not? 192 comments #3: My wife and I left three and half years ago. She was a pioneer for over 18 years, but always wanted to go to a university, something that she was not allowed to do as a teenager. Yesterday she was able to finish that goal, she graduated from WGU with a degree in healthcare management! 124 comments
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Author ralphwiggumsdiorama
Posted On Tue Jan 28 17:53:43 UTC 2020
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I used to sell door-to-door as a Brownie Scout in 1991-92.
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2019.12.20 22:19 thomaslewis1857 Evidence for $100B

In Australia Church funds are kept in 4 accounts. I won’t bother you with what they are called, because I doubt the division means much in terms of usage, but for example one of them is the fast offering fund. You can view them all at the charities and not for profits commission website, Just search LDS (no up to date nomenclature for the Australia holders of the yet!)
They show that total Australian cash holdings are about $300M, varying from $220M in the largest fund to $15M at the smallest. The financial statements are either current to 30 June 2019 or 30 June 2018, so there will be some growth since, bast on past performance.
What does $300M include? It is all described as “cash at bank”. It does not include the real estate. My understanding is that the real estate is held by “the Corporation of the President ...” and not by the charity. It is evident from the financials that the accumulated cash at bank comes from donations, most substantially tithing.
Australian has 150,000 members on the rolls, but that figure is meaningless as it includes 90,000 people who are long dead or who do not regard themselves a member, a Mormon, and Lds, a “member of the ...” or the like. The past two censuses (not sure if it is “censi”) reveal 60,000 who self-identify as members, active or inactive. So that means the Australian arm holds (300M/60k =) 5000 per member. If the Church has only 10M members worldwide, that would equate to $50B if the same $/member figure applied.
But the Church is newer in Australia. It didn’t really amount to anything until about 1960. It is approximately 100 years newer than the Utah Church. As a consequence it has a greater proportion of first generation members, who tend to be poorer, more humble, more easily persuaded, than the average middle income or wealthy person. I have no doubt that the average member is poorer in Australia. Sure there are some millionaires but not many, and there are no billionaires. That may change over time. Add that to the much longer period of giving by the US body, and the perhaps greater history of philanthropy in the US than in Australia. And would not the US central Church retain most (proportionally) of the funds there? And the peak Australian fund was only established in 2012, the others in 1980, so these amounts have accumulated in just a short time.
In the result, it would be entirely unsurprising that the overall $/member amount is much higher worldwide, even accepting third world membership. To me 100B+ is to be expected for the cash reserves. I have ignored the exchange rate, but that varies, although at the moment the value of the $A is modest by historical standards and is currently under $US.7.
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Your first reply to my initial comment was dickish.
False, you are lying. [Here]1 is my reply to your initial comment.
The only way that is insulting to you is if you are the sock puppet of the OP. Oops ... did you just out yourself?
But I wasn't, and you know I wasn't
Nope, it was you as clearly shown by the quotes. You are a terrible, and prolific, liar.
Being from the South does not make you a racist.
Didn't say it did, but being an apologist for slavery does.
Having fond feelings toward the Confederacy does not make you a racist.
If it is part of your racism and apologia for slavery, yes. If you say the Civil War was about states rights, yes.
You know from context exactly what I mean.
It just shows your lack of knowledge of the subject. Colonial slavery has a specific meaning not restricted to your opinion on what it should mean.
really don't know how you keep missing this
How am I missing something that I have been talking about throughout the thread?
There is no such thing as run-of-the-mill slavery
Standard as in not particularly brutal, such as murdering live slaves in religious or civic events. We are discussing your claim that the American trade was "particularly brutal". Clearly it was not as bad as other forms.
Colonial slavery was a different take on slavery to what had been practiced previously.
False, as shown by any number of Empires previously cited that you completely ignore.
Do you have a source on this? I'm seeing lower estimates.
[Slavery in the Late Roman World, AD 275-425 by Kyle Harper.]2
Imperial China was not as powerful as colonial Europe.
It held infinitely more power over those people than colonial Europe. In 1200 China had a population of 140 million, 40% of the estimated world population. Once again the white Eurocentric view completely ignores a slave population because they know nothing about it.
They may have governed more people, but they couldn't realistically conquer
They didn't have to conquer the backward west, they conquered Asia instead which is where all the people and wealth was.
This required a series of technological and scientific advancements that China didn't have.
Ahahaha. You should look into the many things you are referring to. A lot of them were discovered in China (and the Muslim world) and then passed along to Europe once it recovered from the Christian inspired suppression of knowledge.
The same has happened throughout history when different populations meet.
I can't say whether it would have been as large as China
It wouldn't even be close.
They were particularly brutal
Cool, you admit your initial point was wrong. We done now?
Their forms of slavery tended to be smaller in scope and less brutal
Citation needed. Give specific nations you are referring to so we can fact check them and then present those equally as brutal as the Mayans to counter.
Did any one of them enslave as many total people as the European colonial powers did?
Yes, millions. In Vedic culture there were whole castes who were born, lived, and died as slaves. China too, with a population of 140 million in 1200.
I do not know that to be false
Now you do, so you won't be repeating it again.
the enslaved population in Sparta was smaller
Sparta? Oh right you are a liar who is incapable of a good faith discussion. I said Rome not Sparta, and the "above countries" which were - Persian Empire, The Spartan, The Vedic societies of India or the later Indian Muslim conquests. What about the Shang Dynasty of ancient China?
Where is Sparta in there?
None of your examples "fully match the scale and style of colonial slavery."
Only if you are completely ignorant of the subject, as you are. The examples fully match the scale and style of colonial slavery.
The boat wasn't the only place that these slaves died
We are talking about deaths in transit, as you claimed that the figures were far worse than other eras and practices of slavery.
They were also marched long distances (with very high fatality rates)
So you are now saying the walking through Africa part was worse. So you agree with me that your point is horseshit, and that Roman slave trains likely had a far higher mortality rate than Atlantic slave trains.
The ship was possibly the safest leg
Lol at the furious back pedalling.
11 million went to these non-US locations.
False, the chart lists locations as they were known at the time. Once the USA was formed, many of those locations became part of the USA. If you want to provide figures with citations, go ahead.
explain how Roman slave culture didn't influence the way Europeans perceived slavery.
Burden of proof is yours. You need to prove it did. I don't need to prove anything yet.
They were considered slaves in Aztec society
No, as they entered into an agreement voluntarily and could leave it once their debt was paid. They did the same work but slave and indentured servant is an important disctinction in discussing slavery.
You clearly did misunderstood (sic)
I clearly understood that you don't know what you are talking about.
Ancient Rome influenced colonial Europe via Christianity.
Ancient Rome was not Christian. They had Christian slaves eaten alive by various animals for their amusement.
may not have been more imperialist by intent, but they were certainly more imperialist by effect
False, one of those Imperial empires controlled more people and land than any European empire, as one example. They colonised, enslaved, and stole the local resources just as much as Europeans did.
They colonized far more land than any nation before them.
Utterly false. See China.
They simply had a great deal more military might
Yeah, the Persians and Mongols were well known for just asking smaller nations to pretty please surrender or they would go home in a sulk. Get fucking real, the Macedonians conquered the known world (to them) via military technology and supremecy.
The US military is drastically more powerful than any other military that has ever existed.
False. France, to take one example, could destroy the USA in minutes. So could Russia and China. The UK, eg, was never under existential threat from any geo-political rival during the days of Empire. The UK's lead on its rivals during that period is far, far greater than any current US advantage.
If it were suddenly in the US's interests to forcibly colonize other continents, there's not a whole lot stopping them
America turning into a glass would definitely stop them. Simply threatening to drop a single nuke on Washington would stop them.
They could do far more damage than the colonial European empires ever could.
And they would suffer equally as much damage, something the old colonial powers would never suffer.
They were no more evil than any other culture would be in that situation.
You really want to minimise other massive slave trades while trying to portray the Atlantic trade as a special evil. There were far worse slave trades with likely much higher attrition rates. Why you feel compelled to do that is open to debate, but I think it's pretty clear by now.
which included a big uptick in slavery.
A completely average uptick in slavery when powerful empires meet less powerful ones.
I really don't understand why you keep doing this
I am sure you don't, because you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about.
Every time you argue against a point I didn't actually make
This is what you said -
The European powers were particularly powerful after a long arms race with each other
Which is utter garbage and I used the example of Macedon to prove it. "Particularly powerful" is a relative term, as they were not "particularly powerful" compared to modern armies. Empires throughout history have been "particularly powerful" compared to their neighbours after the arms race that has been going on since humans first hit each other with a thigh bone.
Region != culture. Cultures emerge, migrate, evolve, die out
What, like ancient Rome? You claimed that influences every aspect of modern Europe, yet you now claim the Romes of other regions did not do the same for their regions?
Were their ancestors the same culture?
Did Rome influence Europe or not? You claimed it did, yet large areas of Europe never had anything to do with the Romans.
No, it does not depend on which side of the argument you want to be one this time. As shown above, you have no consistentcy even within your own arguments.
Australian Aboriginal
Same as Inuit, not having neighours and living in a vast hostile landscape are not conducive to slavery. You cannot claim they had no slavery of rival tribes though, as there are no records to study with a completely oral history.
Are from a long history of slave ownership cultures in the region, and multiple tribes engaged in the trade. It is also not a specific tribe, it is a grouping. The region they are from was one of the active inter-Africa slave trade areas dating back to pre-history. Southern and Western African states also practiced human sacrifice, usually the victims being slaves.
You picked a bad example here, as the slave trade was definitely a thing in areas they inhabit such as Sweden, dating back to the Norse raiders at least. They share the same ancestors.
Brazil has had slavery since long before the Europeans arrived and tribes such as the Yanomami used to enslave their neighbours in the same manner as tribes throughout the world.
slavery is not really a component of most modern cultures anymore
It is definitely a component of some modern cultures, in Africa and Asia at least.
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2018.11.29 19:07 dredmorbius MeWe: A trip report

Among the more frequently mentioned G+ alternatives at the Google+ Mass Migration community, and others, is MeWe with over 250 mentions. The site bills itself as "The Next-Gen Social Network" and the "anti-Facebook": "No Ads, No Political Bias, No Spyware. NO BS. It is headed by professed Libertarian CEO Mark Weinstein.
As the site reveals no public user-generated content to non-members, it's necessary to create an account in order to get a full impression. I thought I'd provide an overview based on recent explorations.
This report leads of with background on the company, though readers may find the report and analysis of specific groups on the site of interest.


Founder & CEO Mark Weinstein.
Co-Founder & Chief Scientist, Jonathan Wolfe (no longer with company).
Weinstein previously founded SuperFamily and SuperFriends, "at the turn of the millennium". Weinstein's MeWe biography lists articles published by The Mirror (UK), Huffington Post, USA Today, InfoSecurity Magazine, Dark Reading, and the Nation. His media appearances include MarketWatch, PBS, Fox News, and CNN. He's also the author of several personal-success books.
His Crunchbase bio is a repeat of the MeWe content.

Advisory Board

Ownership & Investment

MeWe is the dba of Sgrouples, a private for-profit early-stage venture company based in Los Angeles, though with a Mountain View HQ and mailing address, 11-50 employees, with $10m in funding over five rounds, and a $20m valuation as of 2016.
Sgrouples, Inc., dba MeWe Trust & Safety - Legal Policy c/o Fenwick West 801 California Street Mountain View, CA 94041
Crunchbase Profile.
Founded: 2012 (source)
Secured $1.2M in seed funding in 2014.
2016 valuation: $20m (source]
Despite the business address, the company claims to be based in Los Angeles County, California and is described by the Los Angeles Business Journal as a Culver City, CA, company.



In an August 6, 2018 Twitter post, Weinstein promotes MeWe writing:
Do you have friends still on Facebook? Share this link with them about Facebook wanting their banking information - tell them to move to MeWe now! No Ads. No Spyware. No Political Agenda. No Bias Algorithms. No Shadow Banning. No Facial Recognition.
MeWe provide several policy-related links on the site:
Highlights of these follow.


The privacy policy addresses:

Terms of Service

The ToS addresses:
Effective: November 6, 2018.


The FAQ addresses:


This emphasises that people are social cratures and private people by right. The service offers the power of self expression under an umbrella of safety. It notes that our innermost thoughts require privacy.
Under "We aspire...":
MeWe is here to empower and enrich your world. We challenge the status quo by making privacy, respect, and safety the foundations of an innovatively designed, easy-to-use social experience.
Totalling 182 words.

Privacy Bill of Rights

A ten-item statement of principles (possibly inspired by another document, it might appear):
  1. You own your personal information & content. It is explicitly not ours.
  2. You will never receive a targeted advertisement or 3rd party content based on what you do or say online. We think that's creepy.
  3. You see every post in timeline order from your friends, family & groups. We do not manipulate, filter, or change the order of your content or what you see.
  4. Permissions & privacy are your rights. You control them.
  5. You control who can access your content.
  6. You control what, if anything, others can see in member searches.
  7. Your privacy means we do not share your personal information with anyone.
  8. Your emojis are for you and your friends. We do not monitor or mine your data.
  9. Your face is your business. We do not use facial recognition technology.
  10. You have the right to delete your account and take your content with you at any time.


There are a few mentions of MeWe in the press, some listed on the company's website, others via web search.

Self-reported articles

The following articles are linked directly from MeWe's Press page:
The page also lists a "Privacy Revolution Required Reading" list of 20 articles all addressing Facebook privacy gaffes in the mainstream press (Wired, TechCrunch, Fortune, Gizmodo, The Guardian, etc.).
There are further self-reported mentions in several of the company's PR releases over the years.

Other mentions

A DuckDuckGo search produces several other press mentions, including:


This section is a basic rundown of the user-visible site technology.

Mobile Web

The site is not natively accessible from a mobile Web browser as it is overlayed with a promotion for the mobile application instead. Selecting "Desktop View" in most mobile browsers should allow browser-based access.

Mobile App

There are both Android and iOS apps for MeWe. I've used neither of these, though the App store entries note:
Crunchbase cites 209,220 mobile downloads over the past 30 days (via Apptopia), an 80.78% monthly growth rate, from Google Play.

Desktop Web

Either selecting "View Desktop" or navigating with a Desktop browser to your are presented with a registration screen, with the "About", "Privacy Bill of Rights", "MeWe Challenge", and a language selector across the top of the page. Information requested are first and last name, phone or email, and a password. Pseudonymous identities are permitted, though this isn't noted on the login screen. Returning members can use the "Member Log In" button.
The uMatrix Firefox extension reveals no third-party content: all page elements are served from,,, or (In subsequent browsing, you may find third-party plugins from, for example, YouTube, for videos, or Giphy, for animated GIFs.)
The web front-end is nginx. The site uses SSL v3, issued by DigiCert Inc. to Sgrouples, Inc.


The onboarding experience is stark. There is no default content presented. A set of unidentified icons spans the top of the screen, these turn out to be Home, Chats, Groups, Pages, and Events. New users have to, somehow, find groups or people to connect with, and there's little guidance as to how to do this.


Generally there is a three panel view, with left- and right-hand sidebars of largely navigational or status information, and a central panel with main content. There are also pop-up elements for chats, an omnipresent feature of the site.
Controls display labels on some devices and/or resolutions. Controls do not provide tooltips for navigational aid.


Among the touted features of MeWe are:


A key aspect of any social network is its community. Some of the available or ascertained information on this follows.


Weinstein claims a "million+ following inside" on Twitter.
The largest visible groups appear to have a maximum of around 15,000 members , for "Awesome gifs". "Clean Comedy" rates 13,350, and the largest open political groups, 11,000+ members.
This compares to Google+ which has a staggering, though Android-registrations-inflated 3.3 billion profiles, and 7.9 million communities, though the largest of these come in at under 10 million members. It's likely that MeWe's membership is on the whole more more active than Google+'s, where generally-visible posting activity was limited to just over 9% of all profiles, and the active user base was well under 1% of the total nominal population.

Active Users

MeWe do not publish active users (e.g., MUA / monthly active users) statistics.


MeWe is principally a group-oriented discussion site -- interactions take place either between individuals or within group contexts. Virtually all discovery is group-oriented. The selection and dynamics of groups on the site will likely strongly affect user experience, so exploring the available groups and their characteristics is of interest.
"MeWe has over 60,000 open groups" according to its FAQ.
The Open groups -- visible to any registered MeWe user, though not to the general public Web -- are browsable, though sections and topics must be expanded to view the contents: an overview isn't immediately accessible. We provide a taste here.
A selection of ten featured topics spans the top of the browser. As I view these, they are:
Specific groups may appear in multiple categories.
The top Groups within these topics have, variously, 15,482, 7,738, 15,482 (dupe), 7,745, 8,223, 8,220, 1,713, 9,527, 2,716, and 1,516 members. Listings scroll at length -- the Music topic has 234 Groups, ranging in size from 5 to 5,738 members, with a median of 59, mean of 311.4, and a 90%ile of 743.5.
Below this is a grid of topics, 122 in all, ranging from Activism to Wellness, and including among them. A selected sample of these topics, with top groups listed members in (parens), follows:
To be clear: whilst I've not included every topic, I've sampled a majority of them above, and listed not an arbitrary selection, but the top few Groups under each topic.

Google+ Groups

The Google Plus expats group seems the most active of these by far.

Political Groups

It's curious that MeWe make a specific point in their FAQ that:
At MeWe we have absolutely no political agenda and we have a very straightforward Terms of Service. MeWe is for all law-abiding people everywhere in the world, regardless of political, ethnic, religious, sexual, and other preferences.
There are 403 political groups on MeWe. I won't list them all here, but the first 100 or so give a pretty clear idea of flavour. Again, membership is in (parentheses). Note that half the total political Groups memberships are in the first 21 groups listed here, the first 6 are 25% of the total.
  1. Donald J. Trump 2016 - Present (11486)
  2. The Conservative's Hangout (8345)
  3. Qanon Follow The White Rabbit (5600)
  4. Drain The Swamp (4978)
  5. Libertarians (4528)
  6. United We Stand Trump2020 (4216)
  7. The Right To Self Defense (3757)
  8. Alternative Media (3711)
  9. Hardcore Conservative Patriots for Trump (3192)
  10. Bastket Of Deplorables4Trump! (3032)
  11. Return of the Republic (2509)
  12. Infowars Chat Room Unofficial (2159)
  13. Donald Trump Our President 2017-2025 (2033)
  14. Berners for Progress (1963)
  15. Sean Hannity Fans (1901)
  16. The American Conservative (1839)
  17. I Am The NRA (1704)
  18. Tucker Carlson Fox News (1645)
  19. We Love Donald Trump (1611)
  20. MAGA - Make America Great Again (1512)
  21. Q (1396)
  22. (1384)
  23. news from the front (1337)
  24. Basket of Deplorables (1317)
  25. Payton's Park Bench (1283)
  26. Convention of States (1282)
  27. Britons For Brexit (1186)
  28. MoJo 5.0 Radio (1180)
  29. MeWe Free Press (1119)
  30. The Constitutionally Elite (1110)
  31. Libertarian (1097)
  34. #WalkAway Campaign (894)
  35. ALEX JONES (877)
  36. The Lion Is Awake ! (854)
  37. We Support Donald Trump! (810)
  38. The Stratosphere Lounge (789)
  40. Official Tea Party USA (749)
  41. Mojo50 Jackholes (739)
  42. Yes Scotland (697)
  44. Judge Jeanine Pirro Fans (671)
  45. Anarcho-Capitalism (658)
  46. Ted Cruz for President (650)
  47. No Lapdog Media (647)
  48. Q Chatter (647)
  49. Daily Brexit (636)
  50. Tucker Carlson Fox News (601)
  51. The Trumps Storm Group (600)
  52. QAnon-Patriots WWG1WGA (598)
  53. 100% American (569)
  54. Ladies For Donald Trump (566)
  55. Deep State (560)
  56. In the Name of Liberty (557)
  57. Material Planet (555)
  58. WikiUnderground (555)
  59. Trump NRA Free Speech Patriots on MeWe etc (546)
  60. Magna Carta Group (520)
  61. Constitutional Conservatives (506)
  62. Question Everything (503)
  63. Conspiracy Research (500)
  64. Bill O'Reilly Fans (481)
  65. Conservative Misfit's (479)
  66. Canadian politics (478)
  67. Anarchism (464)
  69. Deplorable (450)
  70. Tampa Bay Trump Club (445)
  71. UK Politics (430)
  72. Bongino Fan Page (429)
  73. Radical Conservatives (429)
  75. The Deplorables (409)
  76. America's Freedom Fighters (401)
  77. Politically Incorrect & Proud (399)
  79. Political satire (383)
  80. RISE OF THE RIGHT (371)
  81. UK Sovereignty,Independence,Democracy -Everlasting (366)
  82. The Patriots Voting Coalition (359)
  83. End The Insanity (349)
  84. Coming American Civil War! (345)
  85. Constitutional Conservatives (343)
  86. United Nations Watch (342)
  87. A Revival Of The Critical Thinking Union (337)
  88. The New Libertarian (335)
  89. Libertarian Party (official ) (333)
  90. DDS United (Duterte Die-hard Supporters) (332)
  91. American Conservative Veterans (331)
  92. Anarchism/Agorism/Voluntaryism (328)
  93. America Needs Donald Trump (326)
  94. The UKIP Debating Society (321)
  95. Coalition For Trump (310)
  96. Egalitarianism (306)
  98. 2nd Amendment (287)
  99. Never Forget #SethRich (286)
  100. Green Party Supporters 2020 (283)
It seems there is relatively little representation from the left wing, or even the centre, of the political spectrum. A case-insensitive match for "liberal" turns up:
Mainstream political parties are little represented, though again, the balance seems skewed searching on "(democratrepublicgop)":
The terms "left" and "right" provide a few matches, not all strictly political-axis aligned:
Socialism and Communism also warrant a few mentions:
And there are some references to green, laboulabor parties:


Whilst there may not be a political agenda, there does appear to be at least a slight political bias to the site. And a distinctive skew on many other topical subjects.
Those seeking new homes online may wish to take this into account.


  • Various typos and tagging corrections. 2018-11-29 - 30
  • Added G+MM references count for MeWe to lede paragraph. 2018-12-2
  • Wolfe status, Times of London story, typos.
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2018.11.08 05:12 Fuckoff555 A list about feminism misandry for anyone who thinks that feminism fights for men’s rights, for anyone who thinks that feminism was only a sexist movement starting from the third wave and for anyone who accuse the MRM of being a sexist movement, while still defending feminism.

"The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race." — Sally Miller Gearhart, in The Future - If There Is One - Is Female.
"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo." _Valerie Solanas, Authoress of the SCUM Manifesto
1st wave feminists: Two examples of first wave feminists demanding and getting men's rights without men's responsibilities. Two of them actively involve zero sum situations such as income and property rights, or custody rights to children, and in both cases feminists managed to arrange things such that women got all the rights while men were still burdened with all the responsibility: 1) Won the right for married women to own their own property and income, and hold it separate from their husband's control. Yet maintained the legal entitlement of married women to be supported financially by their husband. Their entitlement to their husbands support even extended to the tax burden on their property and income--property and income their husbands were legally prohibited from touching. There were men sent to prison in the UK for tax evasion for being unable to pay the taxes owing on the property/income of their wealthier wives. One suffragette, Dr. Elizabeth Wilks even refused (as was her right under the law) to provide her husband with the necessary documentation so he could calculate the taxes, and given that he was a schoolteacher and responsible for paying for everything else, he couldn't have afforded to pay it regardless. While he was in prison, she urged other suffragettes to do what she had. He was released from prison on humanitarian grounds due to his failing health, and died a few months later. 2) Won default mother custody of young children upon divorce or separation thanks to the tender years doctrine. Previously, the assumption was of paternal custody since the father was solely burdened with financial responsibility for their care. Of course, it was only custody that was changed, financial responsibility still fell 100% to the father to maintain the household of his minor children.
first wave: A) In the years leading up to the First World War, the suffragettes were responsible of many incidents of bombing and arson in the United Kingdom, The targets for their attacks ranged from St Paul's Cathedral and the Bank of England in London to theatres and churches in Ireland. The violence, which included several attempted assassinations, culminated in June 1914 with an explosion in Westminster Abbey., [1], [2] B) There were also many suffragettes who were racists and white supremacists, for example Susan B. Anthony who said ''I will cut off this right arm of mine before I will ask for the ballot for the Negro and not for the woman.” and Carrie Chapman Catt, the Founder of the League of Women Voters who said ''White supremacy will be strengthened, not weakened, by women’s suffrage.” C) After the titanic disaster, on April 21, 1912 the New York Times reported a story from London, England, headlined “Suffragettes Deny Chivalry on the Titanic.” in which Sylvia Pankhurst, a militant suffragette said that the men of the Titanic had not really displayed exceptional gallantry as ''women first is the universal rule''.
Domestic violence: 1) 2nd wave: Erin Pizzey, who became internationally famous for having started the first domestic violence shelter in the modern world, Chiswick Women's Aid, in 1971, the organisation known today as Refuge. She has been the subject of death threats and boycotts because of her research into the claim that most domestic violence is reciprocal, and that women are equally capable of violence as men. Pizzey has said that the threats were from militant feminists. 2) 2nd wave: She wrote an article in which she talk about male domestic violence, how feminist journalists and radical feminist editors in publishing houses controlled the flow of information to the public, and how the feminists in America, their strangle hold over the shelters and access to government and state resources was almost absolute. She talked to about how the feminists shot her dog to threaten her. 3) 2nd wave: Richard J. Gelles, along with, Murray A. Straus, and Suzanne K. Steinmetz formed the team at the Univ. of New Hampshire that first researched family violence in the early 1970s. He is today one of the nation's foremost researchers into family violence. After finding out that the rate of female-to-male family violence was almost equal to the rate of male-to-female violence all three of them received death threats. Bomb threats were phoned in to conference centers and buildings where they were scheduled to present. Suzanne received the brunt of the attacks - individuals wrote and called her university urging that she be denied tenure; calls were made and letters were written to government agencies urging that her grant funding be rescinded.. 4) 2nd wave: At the University of Delaware professor Suzanne Steinmetz published an article called the "The Battered Husband Syndrome." After culling the findings from five surveys on domestic violence, Steinmetz reached the conclusion: wives were just as likely as their husbands to kick, punch, stab, and otherwise physically aggress against their spouses. So the feminists leveled threats against Steinmetz and her children. Sponsors of her speaking engagements started to receive threatening phone calls. Finally, a bomb threat was called in to a meeting where Steinmetz was scheduled to speak. 5) An article about how feminists abused and distorted statistics and data on female victimization so that we believe that domestic violence is the most common cause of injury to women, or how battered-women's advocates claim that those women who kill their husbands do so only out of self-defense. 6) The Justice Department has known now for years since the publication of Christina Hoff Sommers’s USAToday op-ed that two of Eric Holder’s speeches in 2009 contained erroneous and false information about intimate partner homicide being the leading cause of death for black women ages 15-45. They promised Glenn Kessler and the Washington Post that the false information on the DOJ websites would be corrected “in the coming days.” It has not been corrected. 7) the Feminist Majority Foundation and editor of Ms. Magazine, Katherine Spillar, said about domestic violence: "Well, that's just a clean-up word for wife-beating," and went on to add that regarding male victims of dating violence, "we know it's not girls beating up boys, it's boys beating up girls.", [2] 8) Feminists Disrupt a Forum About Battered Husbands 9) Feminist and american sociologist Dr Michael Kimmel, who runs the Stony Brook University's Center for the Study of Men and Masculinities. NOMAS, the organization that he founded and leads, claims that men are not victims of domestic violence or abuse.., and even though he's one of the most prominent feminists that talk about ''toxic masculinity'', In 2018 he was publicly accused of sexual harassment by professor Bethany coston 10) The duluth model which is the most common batterer intervention program used in the United States. It completely neglecte male victims and female perpetrators of abuse. The program insisted that men are perpetrators who are violent because they have been socialized in a patriarchy that condones male violence, and that women are victims who are violent only in self-defense. 11) Before the VAWA(violence against women act) There was Family Violence Prevention and Services Act, it was replaced in 1984 by the VAWA, in which until now they didn't bother to include men as victims in the title. And even though the language that they used in the VAWA is gender neutral in addressing victims of domestic violence, the domestic violence programs discriminate against male victims. 12) Feminist and University of Ottawa law professor Elizabeth Sheehy, wants to place battered women above the law. Professor Sheehy’s thesis is that battered women should have the right to kill their husbands pre-emptively — in their sleep, say, or when they least expect it — without fear of being charged with murder., [2] 13) The Canadian federal government’s The Transition Home Survey (THS) “identified 627 shelters for abused women that were operating across Canada on April 16, 2014”. There was one for men and it closed due to lack of funds and support which led to his suicide, [2] 14) Feminists Disrupt a Forum About Battered Husbands
Rape and statutory rape: 1) Feminists in India oppose making rape laws gender neutral 2) Feminists in Israel are against charging women with rape because then according to them, women would be afraid to charge men with rape. 3) Influential rape researcher Mary Koss claims male victims of female rapists aren’t real rape victims in radio interview 4) Michele Elliott OBE is an author, psychologist, teacher and the founder and director of child protection charity Kidscape. Due to her work in exposing the issue of child sexual abuse committed by women, she was subject to a lot of hate and hostility from feminists 5) The feminist and journalist Barbara Ellen said in an article in the Guardian that a female teacher sleeping with a male pupil is not on a par with a male teacher sleeping with a girl pupil, and that the female teacher doesn't deserve prison. 6) Feminist Avital Ronell, a world-renowned female professor of German and Comparative Literature at New York University, was found responsible for sexually harassing a male former graduate student, Nimrod Reitman. So a group of scholars from around the world, including prominent feminists, sent a letter to N.Y.U. in defense of Professor Ronell. One of them even was disturbed cause according to her and her colleagues Mr. Reitman was using Title IX, a feminist tool, to take down a feminist.
Father’s rights: 1) NOW fighting against joint custody in Michigan 2) NOW oppose joint custody in new york 3) NOW, the National Organization for Women oppose joint custody of the children and alimony reform bill in Florida., [2] 4) Propaganda by Michigan NOW against Father’s rights groups, because they proposed a bill for joint custody which NOW oppose 5) In 2005, Michigan's chapter of NOW opposed Bill SB 436 ("The Paternity Act") which aimed to increase putative ("unmarried") fathers rights and redefined "child born out of wedlock".
Rights of accused men of rape in the courts of law and public opinion, and false accusations: 1) Feminist Emily Lindin, Founder of Unslut Project, said that she's not all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations. 2) Feminists in Canada proposed a bill that compromises an accused's rights in sexual assault cases, so now, if the defence has a record that shows the complainant is lying or misrepresenting the evidence, that record must be disclosed in advance. A lawyer is then appointed for the complainant who is granted standing to argue for suppression of the defence evidence,[2]; And even though this bill compromises an accused's rights In sexual assault cases, Pamela Cross, a Canadian feminist lawyer and feminist advocate said that even though Bill C-51 is a good start, it's still not enough. 3) London Feminist Network objecting to granting anonymity to rape defendants 4) Campaign group Women Against Rape said they were glad the government dropped the rape charge anonymity pledge 5) Men now who are accused of rape are presumed guilty under the gender equity law known as Title IX, which addresses sexual harassment and sexual violence in campus. The burden of proof, say several lawyers representing students who have been found responsible for sexual assault, is too low, letting colleges rule against alleged perpetrators on very slim, sometimes conflicting evidence. Ms Judith Grossman, a feminist who said that she would have expressed unqualified support for Title IX and for the Violence Against Women Act, until the time came when her son was falsely accused of rape in campus. 6) Feminist Jon Krakauersaid that we shouldn't weaken Title IX campus sex assault policies, even though it ignored due process, abused and discriminated against many men by expelling them and destroying their future when they were actually falsely accused.
Sexism and double standard in the justice system: 1) Feminist and associate professor at the Jane Addams College of Social Work at University of Illinois at Chicago, Patricia O'Brien said that we should stop putting women in jail, for anything. 2) Feminist and Judicial College chief Lady Justice Dame Anne Rafferty, said that courts should be slow to send women to prison because jail terms are more damaging to them than men and the new guidance for judges and magistrates says real equality means favouring women and minorities to make up for the disadvantage they suffer. 3) Feminist and member of the Labour Party from the House of Lords Baroness Corston wanted to close U.K. Women’s prisons or to convert them into jails for men. 4) Women's justice taskforce says that women's prison should close 5) Judges have been told to deal less severely with female criminals than men when determining how to sentence them. And that thanks to Dame Laura Cox, a high court judge who led the team writing the rules, and the Supreme Court judge Baroness Hale who said: "It is now well recognised that a misplaced conception of equality has resulted in some very unequal treatment for women and girls." 6) In an HuffPost article, feminist Deborah Coles wants to end female imprisonment because she thinks that prisons are evidently ill-equipped to respond to the complex needs of women 7) Feminist and journalist Lydia Smith wrote an article in which she says It is equality to treat female offenders differently to men and by differently, she means more leniently 8) An other feminist wrote an article titled 'How can we mitigate the crime that is female over-imprisonment?' in which he's justifying why female criminals should have lighyer sentences than men.; and another article in which he says that we should close women's prisons 9) A feminist wrote an article in buzzfeednews complaining how women are imprisoned for false rape claims In the UK 10) An all-female task force wants to cut Illinois’ female prison population in half because they think that 'Prison is not where women need to be' and that many of them are mothers so they shouldn't be in prison 11) In Brooklyn, the Women’s Prison Association and the attorney Charles Hynes decided to launch a program allowing female felons to serve sentences at home.
education and economics: 1) The Swedish government said to be the first feminist government in the world that it would abolish affirmative action at universities since the practice has resulted in male students being given admissions priority for several popular programmes. Hypocrites has no problem helping women when they are disadvantaged, but will quickly cut any help to men when they are the ones who are disadvantaged. 2) The same thig happened in Norway, where the Ministry of Education has concluded, after advice from the Ministry of Children and Equality, that the current equality law is not gender neutral and does not allow for men to benefit from the same forms of affirmative actions as women., thread link 3) After the financial crisis of 2008, feminist groups skewed the Obama stimulus plan towards women's jobs even though the recession was considered a downturn for women but a catastrophe for men
Male genital mutilation: 1) Female Feminist Danish Health Minister, Ellen Trane Nørby says that Denmark will continue to circumcisie Danish boys. Previously she was "Minister for Children, Education & Equality". Male Genital Mutilation continues, with the direct collaboration of Feminists. 2) Feminist and journalist Janice Turner, say that banning circumcision is a win for the far right and that wanting to ban circumcision may seems rational and progressive but it undermines tradition and risks making migrants feel unwelcome so according to her we still need to mutilate little boys because the feelings of the migrants, Jews and Muslims. 3) Feminist and writer Jia tolentino wrote an article in Jezebel making fun of men who want to regrow their foreskin because they were circumcised without consent, comparing them to a lizard with a tale 4) Jezebel making fun of inactivists who are trying to ban circumcision and saying that being anti-circumcision is just another way of blaming your mommy.
sex negative feminism: 1) first wave: the suffragette slogan was ''Votes for Women and Chastity for Men'', Edwardian feminists, such as Christabel Pankhurst, took up the social purity cause and demanded that men improve their moral code by remaining chaste outside marriage. For some suffrage campaigners such as Millicent Fawcett and Christabel Pankhurst the vote was as much about improving men’s sexual morality as it was about improving women’s working conditions. 2) 2nd wave: Feminist Kate Millett, who has been described as "a seminal influence on second-wave feminism", was against psychiatry and also was a pedo apologist. In an interview with Mark Blasius, she said that she was sympathetic to the concept of intergenerational sex, describing age of consent laws as "very oppressive" especially to gay male youth. 3) 2nd wave: In 1970, in her book Sexual Politics, known as the ‘bible of women’s liberation,’ Millett was vehemently against prostitution in which she said: ''Prostitution, when unmotivated by economic need, might well be defined as a species of psychological addiction, built on self-hatred through repetitions of the act of sale by which a whore is defined.''. The book Sexual Politics was especially very celebrated by Andrea Dworkin, a feminist who is known especially for being anti prostitution and anti pornography. She characterized pornography as an industry of damaging objectification and abuse, not merely a fantasy realm. She worked with Catharine MacKinnon, developed a legislative approach based on civil rights rather than obscenity to outlaw pornography and allow lawsuits against pornographers for damages. 4) These sex negative feminists, who are denying women's agency and choice in what they can do with their bodies, has actually succeeded in banning prostitution, and in particular criminalizing bying sex and not selling it.They banned it first in Sweden because they said that prostitution constitutes a form of violence against women, then in other countries like Norway, Canada,France, Northern Ireland and Iceland. 5) Also in 2010, Iceland banned strip clubs and any business that profit off the nudity of employees, a year after banning bying sex following the Swedish model. Why? Because they deemed those jobs to be derogatory to women and even considered prostitution to be a form of violence against women., 1 6) Even though the sex negative feminists, has succeeded in criminalizing bying sex and therefore in a way banning prostitution, denying women's agency about their own bodies, telling them what they can and can't do with it and prosecuting innocent men who only agreed to have consensual sex between two adults. Sex workers are actually against this law, for example a sex worker in northern Ireland has said that ‘It’s now far more difficult to stay safe’. Sex workers in America too oppose the feminists who want prostitution to stay criminalized, feminist Lena Dunham and a slew of other celebrities—including Girls co-star Allison Williams, Academy Award winners Kate Winslet, Anne Hathaway, and Meryl Streep have lent their fame to a campaign opposing Amnesty International’s draft proposal on the protection of the rights of sex workers. This proposal includes “decriminalizing all aspects of sex work,” Amnesty International Director of Media Susanna Flood told the Daily Beast., also the ICRSE, 1100 organizations and individuals ask Amnesty International to support decriminalization of sex work 7) Even sex dolls, a freaking object made with plastic and silicone, feminists want them to be banned. Feminist Katie Parker, who founded the School's Consent Project, a charity that teaches pupils about consent, said robot sex dolls that let men simulate rape should be outlawed, because these robots normalize sexual violence. 8) Elijah Rising, a Houston-based non-profit organization aimed at ending sex trafficking, are fighting to keep the country's first 'robot sex brothel' out of Houston because according to them this will increase the demand for the prostitution and sexual exploitation of women and children 9 Feminists in Paris want to close France's first ever sex dolls brothel, because they think that it is encouraging a culture of rape. 10) Even in Botswana, sex dolls are banned because women have continued to express their continued hate and disapproval for sex dolls as they believe that the potential competition will cause a surge in the rise of divorce rates and tamper human relationships as well. 11) Ring Girls arguing against feminist and british television and radio presenter Beverley Turner because feminists just banned Formula 1 Grid Girls and they want to ban Ring girls, Dart girls and any type of walk-on-girls next, denying women's agency or choice in choosing what they want to do with their body and what job they wanna have.
Reproductive rights and forced fatherhood: 1) Feminist Cristy Clark, a legal academic and chair of the Feminist Writers Festival, said that we shouldn't accept financial abortion and give men reproductive rights and a choice to decide to be a parent like it is for women, cause according to her if we accept financial abortion for men, we would be punishing women for not having an abortion when a man wanted them to, and that reeks of the kind of coercive control that has no place in the feminist movement. 2) Feminist and New York Times best selling author Gabrielle Blair has put the whole blame of unwanted pregnancies on men and propose either castration as a punishment or get men to be required by law to get a vasectomy as prevention 3) An article in Jezebel trivializing forced fatherhood, saying that what's only required from fathers is to pay money and that forced fatherhood is not as unfair as forced motherhood, forgetting that women at least have the chance to abort and to opt out of parenthood 4) another feminist against financial abortion said in an article in SALON that there's no such thing as forced fatherhood, and that men nowadays don't have less reproductive autonomy than women
Toxic masculinity: 1) Feminist professor at Occidental College Lisa Wade rejects the notion of "toxic masculinity," saying it is time to recognize that "it is masculinity itself that has become the problem and argue that men must renounce their masculinity and denounce anyone who chooses to identify with it. 2) Feminist Jenna Price one of the co-founders of the feminist action group, Destroy the Joint , said in an article that she wrote for the Sydney Morning Herald that all masculinity is toxic and not just parts of it, and that men need to be chaperoned. 3) Feminist professor at Wilfrid Laurier University in Canada, Erin Dej published a book where she Slams ''Hegemonic Masculinity'' of Homeless Men. This feminist was awarded at least $185,000 by the Canadian government to research homelessness since 2009 (which could have been instead invested to actually help homeless men by giving them food or building more shelters), interviewed 27 homeless men and spent and additional 296 hours spying on them in homeless shelters. Instead of looking for ways to help these vulnerable men to have a better life, a house or a career, she explains that the goal of her research was to assess the ways hypermasculinity is performed among men experiencing homelessness.
Sexism, misandry and other examples of some feminists being absolute cunts: 1) Convicted felon Donna Hylton, who once was a member of a group that kidnapped, raped and tortured an elderly man to the point of death, was a featured speaker at Saturday's pro-abortion and anti-Trump Women's March on Washington 2) A campaign started by the Labour MP Stella Creasy to consider misogyny as a form of hate crime has resulted in the Law Commission deciding to consider whether misandry should be categorised as a hate crime, too. So feminist, founder of VictimFocus, researcher and speaker in the psychology of sexual violence Jessica Eaton wrote an article in the Guardian saying that misandry shouldn't be a hate crime like misogyny, cause it will embolden abusive men; another feminist named Victoria Smith also wrote an article in the independent UK complaining that misandry shouldn't be a hate crime like misogyny and saying that even considering making misandry a hate crime should concern everyone who believes in equality 3) A feminist aborts her baby because It's a boy and Is surprised by backlash 4) Militant feminist, writer, journalist and novelist Julie Burchill who contributed to newspapers such as The Sunday Times and The Guardian, and whose 2004 novel Sugar Rush was adapted for television, said that it's quite nice that men succeed in suicide more often than girls because finally they found something that they're better at than girls, and that prostitutes should be shot as collaborators for their terrible betrayal of all women 5) Feminist Julie bindel who is a regular columnist for the Guardian newspaper, having written hundreds of article for the publication, who's also a patron for charities such as “For our daughters”, the founder of Justice for Women and a research fellow at Lincoln University, in an interview with the “Rad-fem Collective” website, she proposed that all men should be put in some sort of concentration camps until they behave and that she hopes heterosexuality doesn't survive because according to her, under ''patriarchy'' heterosexuality is shit.; She also wrote an article in the Guardian, titled Obama’s right, women are superior to men. Let me count the ways … in which she said that women are superior than men because they are better than them in a lot of fields. 6) For the past year three scholars rewrote Mein Kampf to use intersectional language and submitted it to a feminist journal. It was accepted and published.
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I grew up a Jehovah's Witness. No birthdays. No holidays. I grew up in abuse, because of their religious policies. They tell women that they aren't allowed to get divorced unless it is a case of infidelity, or apostasy. So basically, you can have the shit beat out of you mentally and emotionally, and they won't care. We called anyone that wasn't in our cult "worldly". We were not allowed to associate with worldly people, unless we were out in "service". Service is what people hate JWs the most for. Service is when they knock on your door early in the morning. Higher education is discouraged. Associating with members that have left is forbidden. Blood transfusions are forbidden even if it is a matter of life and death. Your every waking moment is meant to be given to "Jehovah". You have free time after school? Better pick up that WatchTower magazine, and study further. Your work schedule interferes with the convention? Tough shit. Hope you don't get fired for missing work! You have a scholarship to a prestigious college? You can't take it. It would disappoint "Jehovah". You get judged for everything. How you style your hair. What you wear. What you say. What you do in the bedroom (married or not). If you are a little girl in the JW cult, you are not allowed to have any independent thought. You only have options deemed "appropriate" by the elders. You either get "lucky" and marry an old bastard elder at 18 (or younger). Stay single/celibate and full time pioneer. That means no retirement/living with your parents the rest of your life. There is nothing for you beyond that. If you are a boy, your life goal is to be an eldeBethelite. Bethel, is the place that is similar to Scientology headquarters. It is where the Governing Body (leaders of JW cult) pump out propaganda literature. So anyone that is sick of being woken up on Saturday, blame it on the goons that keep making end time predictions.... I could go on and on about their bullshit. Anyway, long story short. I realized I didn't want to be a JW at 10 years old. During this time my mother was married to an abusive JW man. It took 8 years before she divorced him. We left the cult when I turned 17. Been out ever since. I ran and didn't look back. The way I grew up has scarred me deeply. I am much better now, but I will not be quiet about what I went through. Other people are suffering. They need survivors to speak out. It isn't just the JWs. It is all high control group survivors. What we went through was not okay. The people in charge need to be brought to justice. So I heavily encourage anyone reading this to look at the BITE model, and the Australian Royal Commission. The JWs have been hiding pedophiles in their congregations for years. For more on the JW cult you can check out
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Author we_are_wolves
Posted On Thu Jul 19 01:24:22 EDT 2018
Score 10 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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Thanks for posting that My ex wife was a jw when she was a kid I know some pretty Horrible stories and everything you said is true We had to run away at 16 to escape this My ex and I are still good family ;)
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Author All-Iwantisthetruth
Posted On Thu Jul 19 08:04:31 EDT 2018
Score 10 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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They are told they have a life saving message and that if they want to survive Armageddon they need to try to save as many people as possible. They are “encouraged” or guilted to go door knocking when they are likely to find someone home. This creates a mix of fear, obligation and guilt.
Very few witnesses actually like going door to door but they feel they have no choice not only is your social acceptance in the congregation dependent on your devotion in service, but the elders collect your hours, return visits, Bible studies and literature placements each month on a slip of paper so if you don’t do it you feel guilty and in fear of the elders asking you why you didn’t go out more. The average used to be about 10 hours a month per publisher as the standard to maintain. If you are what they call a pioneer your commitment is 70 hours a month. When I was a pioneer back in the day it used to be 90 a month.
The door to door work serves another purpose in that if you can convince someone else to believe what you believe it strengths your belief that what you believe is true.
Although, witnesses are not sequestered on a compound they are very much isolated, in that they are told “worldly” people don’t have morals and can’t be trusted and that they are all going to be destroyed by god at Armageddon. You generally don’t get to attached to people that are set for destruction and that will turn on you according to their doctrine. If you want to see some examples of what they teach go to YouTube and google 2018 Be Courageous videos from their annual convention and you’ll see some crazy videos.
For other scandals you can also google Jehovah’s Witness child abuse they have a problem on scale with the Catholic Church but most people don’t know about it because they are so much smaller.
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Author reversethecurse20
Posted On Wed Jul 18 16:00:16 EDT 2018
Score 29 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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You are absolutely right. They are a cult. They fit every aspect of the BITE model. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. I grew up a Jehovah's Witness.... Don't even get me started on their dirty little secrets and similarities to the LDS church. Not in doctrine, but how they "run" things. You are always welcome to drop by exjw
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Author badger-chow
Posted On Wed Jul 18 16:27:18 EDT 2018
Score 80 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness until about the age of 12 or so. Before school age, I didn't realize anything was "weird" about me. Once I went to school, though, it became apparent. On my first day of kindergarten, I got called out for not saluting the flag with the rest of the kids (my parents told me to stand respectfully, but not to put my hand over my heart or recite the pledge). I was a shy kid who tried not to stand out, so having the teacher single me out sucked. After my mom explained about the JW thing, she understood though.
When a classmate had a birthday, I couldn't have the treats that their parent brought in. Same with Christmas. Had to go sit in the hall or go to the library and read while the class did their Christmas party. Ditto for Halloween, Easter, and most other holidays. My parents tried to make it up to me however they could. For example, their wedding anniversary was near Christmastime. We'd celebrate that with a big party, extended family visit, good food, and lots of presents for me. I was in my teens before realizing that most people don't celebrate their parents' anniversary that way.
I also couldn't do organized sports, pep rallies, or really associate with any non-JW friends outside of school, because "bad associations spoil useful habits".
Another interesting side note was that my dad used to be a JW. He was kicked out (they call it disfellowshipped) because he smoked cigarettes and was unable to kick the habit. So when JWs came over to visit my mom, most of them wouldn't speak to my dad. Some of the JW parents wouldn't let their kids play at my house because my dad might be there.
My sister and brother left the organization in their late teens. I hated being a part of it and finally drifted away around the age of 12 or so. We would have been considered "apostates" by the JW organization because we were raised in "the Truth" but chose to leave anyway. Mom would have been discouraged from associating with us, even though we were her family. She had her own issues with that organization but when she had to choose between the JWs and her family...she chose her family. I'm glad we are no longer a part of the JWs. Looking back, they really are like a cult.
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Author emocha
Posted On Wed Jul 18 16:29:40 EDT 2018
Score 174 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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I grew up as a 3rd generation Jehovah's Witness. At the time, there were 3 "meetings" a week. 2 at the church, which they call "Kingdon Halls", and one on Sundays that lasted about 2 hours each. I'd have to sit through these meetings and be forced to evangelize every Saturday morning as a child, and even moreso as I got older. I always remember how sad 10 year old me was to miss Saturday morning cartoons because I had to go knocking on people's doors. My parents were extremely deep into the religion. They were your "spare the rod, spoil the child" types. I wasn't allowed to have friends from school, I couldn't date as a teenager, my phone was constantly monitored, I wasn't allowed to watch Harry Potter, I can go on forever. Your behavior as a child was seen as a reflection of the "spirituality" of your house as a whole. If you weren't baptised by a certain age (usually 12 or earlier), you were seen as "bad association" in the congregation. As a child growing up amongst other jw kids, the fear of being labeled and cast aside was real, and thus, I was baptised at 12.
As a woman, I felt very repressed by the church. Women weren't allowed to be teachers, and couldn't even pray in the presence of a man without a head covering. There are a group of men gathered at the JW Headquarters in NY who govern what men and women are to wear, how they interact with each other, and what you do in your free time. They publish literature called the Watchtower and Awake that are riddled with misquotes from scientific scholars and misinterpretations of the bible.
I could go on and on about Jehovah's Witnesses and their teachings. I was disfellowshipped, or excommunicated, once when I was 17, came back, and ended up leaving for good about a year and a half ago. I started questioning their "facts", along with feelings of disagreement with their shunning policy. I'm currently being shunned by my entire family and live far away from them. AMA lol
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Author Mist3rTryHard
Posted On Thu Jul 19 01:45:55 EDT 2018
Score 7 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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The thing that messes you the most growing up as a JW is you were "encouraged" to think critically of the bible and of its teaching, especially if it's taught by other religions, but when you do some actual critical thinking, you're shunned and told that it's a big no no.
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Author MelancholicLiquorice
Posted On Thu Jul 19 07:35:37 EDT 2018
Score 10 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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Holy shit. This and OP’s comment scare me. For a few years I occasionally get Jehova’s Witnessed at my door, it’s always the same lady in her 50’s or so, usually with another person. I always have a conversation with them at the door and they give me the Watchtower and read some Bible passages. Now I’m not religious at all, if anything I have mostly had a big fascination for alien life and since the age of 6 have been quite fixated on the whole alien and UFO subject, but I never push it onto anyone. However, I do think it’s interesting to learn a bit about other religions so I don’t mind the conversation with the JW’s and I sometimes read their magazines a little bit (and with a purely skeptic mindset ofcourse), then I’ll talk about the magazine with my friends (all non-reigious) and we discuss it for fun. I have once asked the JW’s about their view on homosexuality. She said it was a sin but that as long as you didn’t act on it it was okay, and that they had homosexual people in their church too. And I asked about their view on transgenders (I’m a transmale (previous lesbian? Now straight I guess) and she said that’s okay because they’re born that way and can’t help it. (I thought, well gay people are born like this too). I knew it was a cult but I just thought it was very strict, I never expected it to be this extreme and abusive as I read in the stories in this thread. What the fuck. Is there anything I can say or do to help? Or anything I can tell them?
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Author CallsignViperrr
Posted On Thu Jul 19 09:43:25 EDT 2018
Score 2 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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Maybe, but your choice of words (cult-speak) gave away the denomination to anyone raised in as we were. If you haven't already, come over to the ex-JW subreddit. The water is fine! lol
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Author spoonfulofstress
Posted On Thu Jul 19 03:21:15 EDT 2018
Score 3 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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I was raised in a small Christian denomination called the Christadelphians. It's similar to the Jehovah's Witness, but smaller. My mother was disfellowshipped for marrying out of the "truth", so we grew up away from an ecclesia in "isolation". She still encouraged our involvement, and forced our attendance at all retreat type gatherings. It was a weird kind of straddling of two worlds. I was taught at a young age to omit any transgressions my parents leniency enabled, and treated as a sort of second class citizen.
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Author Spader312
Posted On Fri Jul 20 12:56:23 EDT 2018
Score 2 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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Check out /exjw and
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Author Teal2289
Posted On Thu Jul 19 10:51:57 EDT 2018
Score 8 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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Come join us over at /exjw if you need any support :) We are a welcoming bunch!
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Author reversethecurse20
Posted On Wed Jul 18 19:58:57 EDT 2018
Score 16 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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No, but that is a good idea for our meetups. We have a couple of ex-jws that play drinking games with the videos that the Governing Body put out.
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Author CallsignViperrr
Posted On Thu Jul 19 08:09:52 EDT 2018
Score 5 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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Central Pennsylvania resident, and ex-JW here. Christalephians actually came first, and I was always interested in them due to their similar belief structure. Looked around for some Ecclesia, but most are just old buildings with few attendants. It's like a geriatric ward. This religion is nearly extinct. This is the future we are seeing with the JW's, as the youth are not going to put up with their manipulative crap, and are leaving in droves thanks to the knowledge of their lies on the internet. Retention is like 30% according to Pew Surveys.
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Author reversethecurse20
Posted On Thu Jul 19 08:33:59 EDT 2018
Score 10 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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Allow me to explain. They came out with an "updated" version of their already watered down New World Translation Bible. It is common that anytime the Governing Body comes out with "special" literature/doctrine changes, they will have everyone come to the kingdom halls (church) when they announce it. Most of the time, it happened on a Saturday. We have religious conventions as well. Basically, we rent out a coliseum, and listen to whatever nonsense they have come up with during the year. It lasts 3 days. Usually on what would be Christmas break for other children/students.
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Author CallsignViperrr
Posted On Thu Jul 19 07:59:28 EDT 2018
Score 2 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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EX-JW here, but your comment made me LMAO, since I've studied some Mormon doctrine and history to get a feel for it's cultiness. hahahaha!
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Author Full-time_FAD3R
Posted On Wed Jul 18 23:09:17 EDT 2018
Score 23 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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It is terrible , I had recent realization I was in one after years and lost my sleep for 24 hours , nausea , vomiting . I couldn’t believe my parents couldn’t see for themselves. I read all of the past of my cult and cried incessantly to know my past was a waste of time . My folks, They think I’m satanically influence because I don’t believe in our cult anymore .
I was born in.
7 generations of my family living a lie , waiting for the end of the world. The leaders of the cult kept on changing prophecy and leading us to whitewash our own past.
Researching is a sin and critical thinking is a serious sin against god . Forsaking your future eternal life .
I shunned my siblings for years and couldn’t express my real sexuality . I’m Bi.
I didn’t go to college I never dated who I wanted to Because they were out of the cult
I tried suicide three times. Suicidal ideation for all of my life till now . Now I actually want t live for me and do all the things I couldn’t .
I was a Jehovah’s Witness.
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Author christinaymt
Posted On Wed Jul 18 19:35:47 EDT 2018
Score 20 as of Mon Aug 27 10:07:40 EDT 2018
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Is it like playing 'Never Have I Ever" between the exmos and exjws?
"Never have I ever....had to be baptized for the dead." exmormons take a drink
"Never have I ever.... had to pretend my birthday didn't exist." exjws take a drink
Sounds like an interesting crowd.
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Author Tgunner192
Posted On Thu Dec 14 13:23:53 EST 2017
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I wonder how much that varies among Kingdom Halls. My ex was JW, her father an elder. Any sign or even a hint of something like that, one of the first things he would do is notify law enforcement.
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Author matthewdreeves
Posted On Thu Dec 14 15:09:05 EST 2017
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My experience is that they'll say that, especially when speaking to a non believer. But in actual practice, they don't. As an elder, their first required action is to contact the JW legal department, and if there isn't a second witness to the abuse, they "leave it in Jehovah's hand". Have you heard of the Australian Royal Commission? Over a thousand pedophiles, and none were reported to the police by the elders or the organization, and that's just in Australia.
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Author SuicideBonger
Posted On Thu Dec 14 14:08:04 EST 2017
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Are you an ex JW? I'm just surprised that you managed to date a JW if you aren't one yourself.
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Author matthewdreeves
Posted On Thu Dec 14 18:33:44 EST 2017
Score 6 as of Sun Dec 24 14:09:48 EST 2017
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If you google "Candace Conti", you'll see that that's almost exactly what they did. They didn't "relocate" him per se, as his moving congregations was of his own volition, but they knew he was a child molester, and hid it from the new congregation, even writing in a letter that he was "good with kids".
It's a horrid religion that cares more for it's own image than it does for children.
That being said, it's possible your father in law was being honest with you and that he's one of the very, very rare good guys who will ignore watchtower policy and do what's right. They're few and far between.
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Author PhazeDelta1
Posted On Thu Dec 14 07:57:11 EST 2017
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JW are right up there.
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Author Tgunner192
Posted On Thu Dec 14 19:53:27 EST 2017
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Luckily she and her siblings were mostly grown when he became a witness. He was a really nice guy, very easy to get along with. But nobody can fight that long and have a full deck. He only fought because he had no choice, 3 kids, a wife and only 1 skill on how to make a living. But yes, I would characterize him as an easy target.
EDIT: I'm reading about the Conti case you mentioned. I don't mean to minimize her ordeal, nobody should have to go through what she went through. But it does seem to be more isolated and not the institutional level of Bishops/Vatican acting as pimps for pedophile catholic priests.
I also have to wonder if ex g/f's father didn't have an effect on any less than appropriate people in his Kingdom Hall. As benevolent and decent as he was, you can't talk to and interact with someone like that and not be aware he could catastrophically injure or kill most people with his bare hands. I remember asking him how JW felt about the death penalty. He said, "the only time it's justified is if it's to protect children. That's right from the King James Bible." He quoted me chapteverse (bible type citation that I really don't know about). Long story short, he was capable of severely hurting/injuring/killing and he made it known that he believed it to be within his rights on a spiritual level if he killed to protect children. I'm guessing anyone with a pedo inclination got the heck out of his congregation.
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Author Tgunner192
Posted On Thu Dec 14 19:34:03 EST 2017
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He wasn't my father in law, just an ex g/f's father. He was kind of a righteous guy but not playing with a full deck. Prior to JW he was a professional boxer and not a great one. He fought until he was 35, way to old to be fighting.
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Author Tgunner192
Posted On Thu Dec 14 14:10:29 EST 2017
Score 2 as of Sun Dec 24 14:09:48 EST 2017
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I'm not JW. She had grown up and been raised a JW as her father was very active. But at the time we dated she was disfellowshipped. Probably relevent, her and I were in our 30's when we dated (I'm old).
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Author Damn_Dog_Inappropes
Posted On Thu Dec 14 08:28:12 EST 2017
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Yup. I have a friend whose husband (when they were young) molested her 15YO sister. She found out about it when she was in her early 30s so she left him. Oh boy, the kerfuffle that erupted. The entire family except for the molested sister got pissed off that she'd throw her marriage away like that. Her church even threatened to kick her out if she didn't resume her marriage. She does some semblance of a relationship with her mom and dad, but one of her sisters won't talk to her, nor will her extended family. Obviously, she's no longer JW.
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2015.12.17 20:33 MiracleBeliever R/CFB Bowl Project: Royal Purple Las Vegas Bowl

The Royal Purple Las Vegas Bowl ( Las Vegas Bowl
BYU Cougars BYU vs.Utah Utes Utah
Bowl Information
Date: December 19th, 2015
Time: 3:30 PM EST
Channel: ABC
Point Spread: O/U: Utah -2.5
Bowl History
Year Founded: 1992
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Stadium: Sam Boyd Stadium (Approximately 30 minutes from the Strip and 20 minutes from downtown.)
Conference Tie-ins: 1st in MWC or BYU versus 6th in PAC-12. The winner of the MWC Championship has an automatic bid if Hawai’i is bowl eligible. If Hawai’i is not bowl eligible the MWC Champion plays in the Hawai’i bowl, and BYU (assuming eligibility) wins the bid. If neither scenario happens, the 2nd in the Mountain West receives the bid.
Trophy, held by Clay Helton after 2013 Bowl Victory.
Payout: $1,000,000
2014 Season Result: Utah Utes 45 - Colorado State Rams 10. Full Game. CSU Highlights. Utah Highlights.
BYU Cougars BYU
2015 Season Record: 9-3 FBS Indpendent
Key Players this Season:
Tanner Mangum (QB): The “kid” wonder. Returned from an LDS mission 3 months before the season started, and has set every freshman passing record at BYU. 3,062 yards, 12 TDs, 7 INTs.
Bronson Kaufusi (DE): All over the field as a DE. 55 Total Tackles, 17 TFL, 11 sacks, 1 INT, 4 blocked kicks. This is likely the most athletic family in America. His dad and all 7 of his siblings played a D1 sport, all of Bronson’s siblings have played at BYU (between basketball and football. Bronson played both), and I know two of his dad’s brothers are still batting 1.000 with D1 athlete children.
Algernon Brown/Francis Bernard (RB): Our 3rd and 4th string backs (due to injury), 2 Polynesian 235-pounders with good hands and speed. Combined for 973 yards, 5.9 ypc, 17 TDs. Also added 26 catches for 199 yards and 4 scores.
Biggest Plays this Season: Game Winning Hail Mary in the season opener versus Nebraska,4th down Hail Mary with ~45 seconds left, followed immediately by a pick-6 against Boise State.
Season Summary: This team has taken years off many peoples’ life. Our starting running back set to break the school rushing record left for personal reasons right before fall camp started. Our heisman candidate quarterback suffered his 3rd season ending injury in 4 seasons during the first half of game 1. The season included: Hail Mary as time expired against Nebraska 4th down Hail Mary against Boise, followed immediately by a pick-6 with 40 seconds left. 1 point loss to UCLA at the Rose Bowl (gave lead up with ~3 to go) 31-0 shutout at the Big House. Tanner Mangum getting injured against ECU, and trotting out onto the field to lead a game winning drive. SJSU going for 2 to win it with < a minute left and not getting it. Our coach leaving after 11 seasons for Virginia. The team has rallied behind Mangum - the freshman who is going to be the return of the great BYU QB and so have the fans. He is a “field general” in every sense of the word - you could feel it against ECU when he came back hurt. As soon as he stepped on the field, we knew we would win.
Why we are going to win: Our offense is much better than Utah’s with them losing Booker and Covey. If we can contain their pass rush, we should be able to score. Containing Wilson on the read option will test us. This is an emotional game - the Utes got invited to the PAC-12, we got left out. They feel above BYU and do not want to be at the game. They don’t want to renew the series as a non-conference game (2014/2015 weren’t played. Scheduled through 2020 I believe). It’s our head coach’s last game, going for his 100th victory. Their coach is on the short list of candidates interviewing to be his replacement. BYU fans bought all the tickets before Utah was announced.
This game is a bigger deal than WWII according to at least one person:
It’s going to be an emotional game that will be complete crap shoot and likely will have a fight break out between the teams. (We aim to entertain the masses).
Utah Utes Utah
2015 Season Record: 9-3 (6-3 Pac-12 South)
Key Players this Season:
Travis Wilson (QB): The 6’7 senior dual-threat quarterback is a major cog in the Utes offense. He started 11 games this season, going 8-3. He has completed 62.4% of his passes, and thrown for 2,024 yards. In addition, he has thrown for 13 touchdowns. However, turnovers are an issue as he’s thrown 10 interceptions on the season. The dual-threat QB has also shown his athletic ability in helping a potent rushing offense. He has ran for 466 yards (3.7 ypc) and 6 rushing touchdowns. With Devonte Booker’s injury, the Utes will be looking at Wilson to be carrying the load on offense.
Devontae Booker (RB): Devontae Booker is Utah’s workhorse running back. Unfortunately, Devontae will not be playing in this bowl game, as he was injured in Utah’s loss against Arizona and is recovering from a torn meniscus. However, Devontae carried the Utah offense on his back, leading the nation in carries per game midway through the season. He had 1261 yards on 268 attempts with 11 tds on the year. Expect Running backs Bubba Poole and Joe Williams, as well as dual-threat Quarterback Travis Wilson, to lead the rushing attack against BYU. Joe Williams has rushed for 386 yards in two games in relief of Booker.
Tom Hackett (P): Tom Hackett is the AP First Team All-American Punter and winner of the Ray Guy award. An Australian punter, He punted 55 times for 2628 yards with an average of 47.8 yards per attempt.
Gionni Paul (LB): A critical playmaker and leader on the Ute defense. During the 2015 season Gionni recorded 109 total tackles (48 solo), 12.5 tackles for loss, three sacks, four interceptions, two forced fumbles, and a fumble recovery returned 54 yards for a touchdown.
Biggest Plays this Season: Utah Utes spoil Jim Harbaugh’s Michigan return in season opener,Utah forces 6 turnovers to beat California
Season Summary: Utah started off their season strong and promising. The Utes raced out to a 6-0 start, ruining Jim Harbaugh’s Michigan return, demolishing Oregon in Autzen Stadium, and defeating a then #24 California in those 6 games. The Utes rose to #3 in the rankings after their start. However, things became shaky after a blowout upset against USC, as they lost 42-24. They would beat Oregon State and Washington, but would lose two straight to Arizona and UCLA, as well as lose star running back Devontae Booker on the way. The Utes finished the regular season strong with a 20-14 win over Colorado to finish 9-3 on the season. The Utes finished the regular season ranked #20 in the College Football Playoff rankings.
Why we are going to win: The Utah pass rush must get to Tanner Mangum in order to prevent the BYU offense to drive down the field. In a battle of the trenches, Utah’s front seven should have a day against BYU’s suspect offensive line. The defense must continue at a high level, as they have only allowed 21.8 points a game. The Utes must also create turnovers, something the team is good at, considering they are #6 in turnover creation. On offense, Travis Wilson must step up, especially with the absence of Devontae Booker. If the Utes are going to put on points, they will have to throw the ball effectively, a struggle they’ve had through the season. Even though Booker is out with injury, the Utah running game is still very formidable, even with Joe Williams in at running back. Williams has rushed for 386 yards, and in the two games he’s replaced Booker in the lineup, he’s rushed for 121 and 187 yards.
Why you should watch: It’s the return of the Holy War. One of the storied rivalries in college football, the Holy War returns after two seasons. Utah leads the series 57-34-4 and has won 4 straight over BYU. In Bronco Mendenhall’s last game as BYU head coach, can he pull out the victory? Or will Utah overcome the loss of Booker and win their 5th straight over BYU and 2nd straight victory in the Las Vegas Bowl? By the way, did we mention that the Holy War is going to be played in Sin City?
BYU Cougars: Miraclebeliever, chem031, Molodyets
Utah Utes: Miraclebeliever,Brutus583
Bowl: XSavageWalrusX
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2013.05.14 07:59 PhoBoGa In need of a little advice. (on managing jealousy and communicating, mostly)

M20. F17. Still young, I know. Also just found this subreddit. Sorry in advance if this gets too lengthy.
She (Nat) and I met in February last year, and have been together since September, so it's still fairly fresh - we went to different unis but both in Melbourne, and got introduced by mutual friends. We got along really well pretty quickly, and it's just been awesome. It wasn't long distance when we first started dating but overall it's pretty much been long distance. In November she went overseas, and then I left overseas five days before she returned in January. When she got back she applied for med at unis in/around Sydney (better opportunities than in Melb, etc.) and got accepted, having to leave the morning I got back from overseas at the end of Feb. We've seen each other a couple of times since then, but obviously it's still just not the same. But yeah, she'll be studying there for the next 5 years while I'll be stuck in Melbourne for 2-3 more finishing my degree.
Especially this year (less so next year) getting around to seeing each other is tough due to a few factors - our uni work, transport; until now, public transport satisfied all my needs so I wasn't in a hurry to get my P's (for non-Australians.. basically a driving license qualification that lets me drive on my own/without a supervisor), and nor has she; and parents; her parents, though mellow now, were pretty much outraged about her getting involved with someone, and so my parents are concerned with me spoiling my reputation with them by "chasing after their daughter", thus not very comfortable with letting me travel up there. Soon my age won't be a determining factor in their decision-making, so I suppose I have only to wait, but yeah.
We knew the likelihood of it becoming LD was there, and we discussed it as thoroughly as we could. We were and are both determined to see it through, but that doesn't stop it from being difficult.
Just especially lately there's been some strain because of a sort of mutual jealousy popping up, which hit a peak the other night. Besides me just generally envying her friends on campus the time they get to spend with her, she's been concerned about a girl I know (since before we dating) who she resents me spending time with because of that girl's interest in me.. and I'd happily step out of the friendship for Nat but it's hard given that girl and I have already been friends for quite a time, and we regularly see each other because of circumstance. Personally I never really saw the attraction, nor have I felt like I reciprocated it in any way since when Nat and I started dating, and while I've tried to explain that nothing is there, when it cropped up again over the weekend I responded exasperatedly, and the mood's hit a sort of low since then.
Besides just general advice, what can we do to try and prevent things from boiling over again? We both do our best to communicate clearly to try and help that from happening, but is there anything else?
Also, sorry if the pronouns and stuff got confusing up there. :/
I know advice for our situation is pretty much floating around all over this subreddit and it's a little selfish of me to make you guys repeat it, but I'd like to actually hearead it from someone. Hopefully that isn't too troublesome.
Thanks for taking the time to read.
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2012.12.29 22:58 curious_mormon Hypocrisy Series Part 05: Trust in the Prophet and all of his doings

Let's start off with a talk from Mark E. Petersen, called "Another Prophet Now Has Come!". He said,
Contrary to the general belief, the Lord is a God of communication, a God of revelation. He is a God of light and intelligence, of knowledge and information. He does not deal in darkness, neither does he save anyone in ignorance. His entire plan of salvation rests upon communication with an enlightened people.
And let's combine this with D&C 1:38 which states (despite apologetic arguments (as it paints them in a difficult position))
What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.
I read this as a modern prophet's sermons are accepted as being directly synonymous with the mouth of God. This is supported by the earlier prophets such as Joseph or Brigham even if they embarrass the modern leaders.
So what are the high-level points?
And from D&C we have the crux of this entire post.
Now lets look at each point in turn.

(A) Lord is a God of communication, a God of revelation

  • First off, let me say that the LDS church has a long and rich history of revelations. They claim ad-hoc revelations, as well as revelations requiring much thought and pleading. They have also repeatedly stated that special language [such as "thus saith the Lord"] isn't required to distinguish a revelation from a sermon [See #6]. In conjunction with (F) above, they fully and wholly teach that the Prophet's words are as good as Gods and should be obeyed as such.
  • They also teach a strict hierarchy in revelation. A prophet's words override and overrule all lower claims. This includes, personal revelation you may supposedly get directly from God. As stated in the manual, your revelation can not contradict the scriptures. (Apparently that right is only for the leaders of the church). See also
  • Boyd Packer has also taught that rank and file members cannot receive revelation for the church or any position higher than that which they currently hold. A bishop, for example, can't have a revelation that the stake president is unprepared to judge his stake due to (let's say) attempted pedophilia, drugs and molesting medical patients, or drunk driving. Theoretically the Area authorities wouldn't call or would release unqualified men, but at least they usually respond quickly once an arrest is made - especially if public.
This establishes revelation happens, but what of it? Even Warren Jeffs claims to have revelations and prophecies. Let's look at the older works and canon and examine the validity of a few of the revelations:
  • D&C 45: 64 - 74 - Joseph Smith, acting for God, told members to flee to the west where they would establish "New Jerusalem". He promised, it would be "a land of peace, a city of refuge, a place of safety". See also D&C 105:13-15 where Joseph (claiming to speak with God's voice) stated the saints would win the Missouri conflict. Spoiler: they didn't. Missouri, which is called New Jerusalem, soon enacted an extermination order and pushed the members from the state. An order that wasn't rescinded until 1976.
  • D&C 104:1 - Claims that the united order would last until the coming of Christ. It failed to meet it's goals and was abandoned before the 5th year. The church then blamed the members for not being ready or capable to live the principal. Whether true or not, the prophecy failed.
  • The (canonized) History of the church Volume 1, p315 contains another failed second coming prophecy. "And now I am prepared to say by the authority of Jesus Christ, that not many years shall pass away before the United States shall present such a scene of bloodshed as has not a parallel in the history of our nation; pestilence, hail, famine, and earthquake will sweep the wicked of this generation from off the face of the land, to open and prepare the way for the return of the lost tribes of Israel from the north country. The people of the Lord, those who have complied with the requirements of the new covenant, have already commenced gathering together to Zion, which is in the state of Missouri, therefore I declare unto you the warning which the Lord has commanded to declare unto this generation, remembering that the eyes of my Maker are upon me and that to him I am accountable for every word I say wishing nothing worse to my fellow-men than their eternal salvation; therefore, "Fear God, and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment is come." Repent ye, repent ye, and embrace the everlasting covenant, and flee to Zion, before the overflowing scourge overtake you, for there are those now living upon the earth whose eyes shall not be closed in death until they see all these things, which I have spoken, fulfilled. Remember these things; call upon the Lord while He is near, and seek Him while He may be found, is the exhortation of your unworthy servant. " - Note that this is not the same as Joseph's other famous second coming prophecy. That one also failed. Bruce R McConkie tried to extend it another century, which date still came and went.
  • And the list goes on, and on, and on.

(B) He is a God of light and intelligence, of knowledge and information

Okay, the prophecies of the future are untrustworthy. What about the revelations of the present or past?
As you can guess, this is only a sampling of the misinformation provided by the religion and the leaders of such. More on this in section E.

(C) He does not deal in darkness

Again, pointing to (F). Whether by the mouth of God or his servants, it is the same.
  • Accusations of the Auto-pen takeover where Gordon Hinckley and Thomas Monson assumed control of the LDS corporation and religion. See here for a transcript of the son's retelling.
  • As has been mentioned in previous parts, you also have diary entries of bribery, secret organizations, public and private double-speak, outright lies, hiding of information in deep vaults, and revisionist history re-written as often as possible.
  • One also can't forget that the LDS' main website does not, and likely will never, host any talks, speeches, quotes, or first presidency letters prior to 1970 unless referenced in an approved talk. In fact, most of the first presidency letters of the past are very difficult to find or access without official approval.
  • And finally, secret financial ledgers; secret rule books for mission presidents, stake presidents, and bishops; secret pay scales and benefits; secret corporate involvement; political lobbying; and quiet changes to doctrine and ceremony are common place.
It appears that the LDS church abhors the light of day for their financial and management transactions. I wouldn't be surprised if the actions given full disclosure was easier to build than the list of those done fully or partially in the dark.

(D) neither does he save anyone in ignorance

See the points in section B. These "theories" were taught at various times and then retracted at others. The Adam-God theory is a critical example. The doctrine was taught in the temple with the saving ordinances. Those going through the ceremonies at this time would have explicitly anointed as a [potential] God and Goddess saved in the Celestial Kingdom. They would be told that they were being taught essential doctrines needed for salvation. The 2nd anointing would have cemented this. Some of these same doctrines would later be called the theories of men [mingled with scripture], and later peoples would have been completely unaware of them (see also penalties and original laws of obedience).
If Brigham was initially correct, then the church must now be in apostasy. If Brigham was wrong, and the religion is right, then he corrupted the ceremonies of God. If the religion is wrong, as I believe, than the Brighamites are wrong with it. Either the religious doctrine were wrong then, and thus damned the people of that time while creating a break in the chain of authority; and/or they're wrong now. Or, in contradiction to this claim you're told to obey a prophet who is wrong and it will be well with you, which means you are now saved in ignorance.
(Section E can be found in the comments below)
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2012.11.04 23:24 tabledresser [Table] IAmA Professional Genealogist AMA!

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Do you believe your work contributed to grassroots of racism? Ie genealogical differences leading to fueds between ethnic groups. You know that's genuinely the first time I've heard that! I'd argue the contrary. I've managed to help people trace their cultural and ethnic heritage to places they had no idea they originated from. Anyone who discovers they are linked to another place through blood would naturally be curious and start to learn more about that culture and history.
When you realise just how intermixed we are it's very hard to still see yourself as an isolated ethnic group.
So what's up with the whole 3 wishes thing? I'm not sure what you are referring to, can you clarify a little for me?
He's asking a question about Genies, you know? Infinite cosmic power! Itty bitty living space you would know about that being a Genealogist and all. I can't believe I missed that! Never ask for more wishes. Three is a nice round number, any more and you'd never fit it into a heartwarming 120 minute animated feature.
I once read that if you have traces of red in your hair (or red hair) - that this could be a trace for having celtic ancestors..any genetic studies done on this? There have been actually - It's quite an interesting subject when you start throwing in DNA to find out more about your own history. Red hair is a mutation that arose 20-40,000 years ago and although its not a "Celtic" gene it's almost exclusively European and prevalence is overwhelmingly highest in the Celtic nations.
Worth noting though is that there are significant minorities of redhaired people from the Basque Country in Spain, the Netherlands and Scandinavia. If you've got the Red headed gene then I'd say you've got a fair chance of having genetic origins in any one of these places.
I am blond, just my beard tends to get reddish. Ancestors are dutch and polish but our family trees dont go back TOO far, so i was interested what was before,, i.e. if it is a deep rooted dutch/polish tree or if the roots lie in reality somewhere else. If you've got Dutch ancestors I'd say it's entirely possible the red hair came from there - but you know how easy it is for migration over hundreds of years, so I wouldn't want to say its a 100%. The Dutch were quite the seafaring nation!
My question is, how do you think the future of Genealogy (say, in fifty years time) will differ from today? And then again another fifty years after that? Will it just be a case of Facebook becoming a museum to track your ancestors and monopolising the industry, or do you think companies like yourselves will be able to compete? Great question! Without a doubt it's going to be easier. fifty years ago if you wanted to learn about your ancestors you had to visit the places they lived and rummage through town hall and church records, archives and libraries handling or viewing on microfiche thousands of documents in the hope you find something of note. With the rise of digitisation, you can sit at home wherever you live and automatically search through billions (without exaggeration) of records at the touch of a button and sift through only those matching locations and details that you require. The pace of this digitisation (one of the best way to preserve these delicate records for all time) is speeding up on a daily basis - huge projects are being entered into by volunteer transcribers/scanners or commercial companies that mean it just gets easier and easier to find things you would never know existed. A personal example would be that I found a full physical description of my greatx4 grandfather in a merchant navy record (5 foot 5, 32 inch chest, 28 inch waist, grey eyes, blonde hair and "slightly pockmarked") that a few years ago I'd never know existed (I just had his occupation as "ships captain" in a census). I found a woman's greatx3 uncle in a newspaper archive that we've just digitised, he disappeared with no explanation and it turns out he was kidnapped by a German secret society for breaking their rules (quite a scandal at the time that again we just wouldn't have even imagined without such rich contextual content automatically suggested to help us). I dread facebook being used as a museum...I don't know if I ever want my great grandchildren viewing my "look at this dog wearing clothes" statuses. It's possible that you could use facebook to go back a little way, but I think without getting into the world of pre-internet official documents you'll never be able to really fill in the story. I'm pragmatic - There are several large companies operating in this space, we have records nobody else has, our rivals have the same, you can get access to a fair few for free from some specialist sites (I'm here because I love Genealogy, not to give you a hard sell) - but no matter who has YOUR personal records, you can't beat that emotional response of finding something connecting you with someone you know is a part of you personally.
Say that if my family tree is well documented, going as far back as the 1600's, could you take that from there and find out the region of France they're originally from? They were persecuted as Huguenots and fled to England, and how much would that cost me? I'd applaud you first of all for being able to get that far! I'd say that it's possible to go further, particularly as some of the records in French archives are VERY well preserved (Montauban would be your best bet as it was the nexus of the Huguenot movement) but you'd want to employ someone who could both speak fluent French to understand the records fully and could physically visit the archives to go through them and photograph them for you (very few are digitised). I've come across a few organisations that have agents in the field so to speak - I'd get in touch with these guys (the national huguenot society) to see if they can point you to a reasonable one who could take you further Link to
Alright so I messaged you, and am awaiting reply. I'll take a look shortly and see what I can do - Give me a few days and fingers crossed I can dig something up for you!
How much do you rely on the work of the LDS (Mormons) in your daily research? Do you frequent their family history centers? It's impossible to deny that the LDS work is invaluable, thanks to them we've progressed so much faster than otherwise would be possible. They've been instrumental in transcribing some of the largest projects in the industry. I have used their site before and they've got a range of records that simply put, nobody else has.
I don't personally get to visit their centres as much as I'd like to as I'm based in London but I've heard nothing but good things about the advice they can offer and the free assistance they can give both from colleagues and customers. If there's one near you I very much recommend paying them a visit!
Where would you start with a family tree? How many generations can you expect to go, reasonably? Start with your surviving family. Get a notepad and pen, talk to as many as you can to find out what they know about their own parents and grandparents/relatives - It's rare to not be able to get back 2-3 generations just with this information. Once you've got that you can start delving into records with the furthest back you've got, either using census information (you'll need to get back to 1940 in the US to start using those, 1911 in the UK/Ireland) or birth registrations that will document the parents of your last known ancestor to get things back a little further. Give me a little more specific background on your heritage and I'll happily give you a proper helping hand to start you off!
I have traced my family back to 1900 Lithuania (part of Russia at the time). How do I continue going back? I can go to Lithuania to search for records, but I'm assuming those records are not in English. A lot of the time it was quite dependent on who was on duty at the time your ancestors got to their port of arrival, even something like an officer mishearing a name can result in a complete rename (though uncommon). Places like Ellis Island were frequently staffed with translators who would translate for the great multitudes of men and women who arrived without a word of English between them, smaller ports weren't so lucky. People frequently changed their names to fit in later on as they considered themselves more "American" - As daft as it sounds you'd do worse than to look at baby name sites, they tend to list the different national versions of each Anglicised christian name.
EDIT: How do firstnames translate between languages? (Like "Carlos" is "Charles" in English.) How do I find the Lithuanian, or possibly Russian, translation of my ancestor's firstnames? You can contact the Lithuanian national archives for a genealogical search but they are VERY overworked and currently have up to a three year delay for requests! You'd be better off maybe contacting a Lithuanian Genealogist who could go to the archives for you? I'd say you've got a great chance of getting back further though!
What kind of educational background/training do you need to become a professional genealogist? There ARE courses offered and professional certifications that you can take - The Association of Professional Genealogists for example or the Association of Genealogists and Researchers in Archives for example, not to mention there are a couple of universities that have started to offer recognised postgraduate courses. I've found most of the professional genealogists I've worked with so far though have fallen into this accidentally by doing their own family tree and getting so hooked that they start doing friends and relatives too, branching out from part time hobby to full time passion.
I wouldn't say that you need any kind of actual training other than a keen investigative streak and a love of puzzles! If you get accurate results then you're as good as anyone else!
Is there anywhere specific or books that you can recommend? I'd fall into that category of people who who done a lot of research around their family, but I'd eventually like to go professional like yourself! If in the US I'd recommend these people - Link to
They are a non profit society that can help you with both paid and free guided learning & home study to help improve your skills, in addition to giving you support along the way.
My question is: How do you charge people for your services? Is it per generation, or a flat rate, or perhaps hourly? It seems like a hard thing to quantify. I personally have a rather unique setup in that I don't have to charge, It's my job to make things easier for people to do it themselves through the website I help to run, which they can pay a subscription to for unlimited access to records or buy pay as you go credits to browse. I've seen both arrangements professionally though, I'm currently working with an Italian Genealogist who I'm paying an hourly fee for their time (as they have to physically go to a very small village in Italy that I could never get to to get hold of the records) but I know that takes a little trust. Quite a lot of genealogists either assess what someone wants and what information they have (some projects take weeks of solid work, others you can get together in an afternoon) to give a "job rate" or offer a sort of "package" rate where they guarantee to do the research for three or more generations, present all the research and documents in a folder and with a neat family tree at a particular cost.
My question is: if I really wanted to make the tree again-- is my only realistic way of doing it asking elders again? (I live in the US, I did this in 2006 when I visited for the second time.) Or will online resources like a family history site be helpful? There are sites with public family trees that if you can find a relative on you could easily link yourself to many thousands of people, the issue with that though is you are relying on other peoples research that may not be as thorough as your own. If you are happy with that then I'd say go ahead, but Ideally I'd still say asking your elders is the best way. Many sympathies for the loss too, I don't know what I'd do if that happened to me!
Is the future of genetic sequencing on an exponential rise? I understand it is becoming more and more convenient and cheap per base pair, but would you see babies being sequenced 5, 10, 20 years down the road? Is it ethical in your perspective? I deal with the past rather than the future - but here's my go at this question anyway - Sequencing is cheaper yes, and can be a great way of discovering genetic likelihood of developing certain forms of cancers, diseases and other things that can be avoided much more easily with changes to lifestyle and diet. I can't see that as a bad thing.
The darker area is in sequencing an unborn child, if you knew a child would be born disabled somehow then would you then be more likely to not give that child a chance at life? What if as now in some societies where boys are valued more than girls you learnt that it would have blue eyes instead of brown. Would you do the same thing? I'm all for sequencing that will aid long and healthy life, I'm dead against anything that could be used to potentially extinguish it in the name of personal preference or societal fashion of the time.
Whats the basic start once someone has come in wanting their family tree? I know mine back 4 generations, but after that, you hit the turn of the 20th century, and things get fuzzy quickly. What do you do to trace lineage beyond the 1900's? Where are you looking and how much do you know? Your greatest resource both in the US and UK is Census information. The detail on these censuses covers everyone who lives in a household, their birthplaces and relationships & then as they are every decade you can usually pick up the parents of children and keep running backwards (US censuses go back in detail to 1850 and before then still record heads and demographics till 1790, UK censuses are detailed and currently released go from 1841 to 1911). Give me a little more information and I'll gladly give you a nudge where to look and dig out maybe a few for you to get you started.
Hi Myko! My great grandparents came to America from Greece in the early 1900s. I've found their ship manifest, and all of their records after arrival, but I have no idea how to go about finding anything from before they left Greece. Any suggestions? Ah Greeks, a lot of the time original Greek surnames were changed or shortened meaning locating older records in Greece is foften a big ask. Original surnames can give clues to lineage though, lots of the prefixes and suffixes indicate geographic areas within Greece. The suffix "akis" often designates Crete for example. Similarly, the suffix "ellis" often means a family from the island Lesbos, and "oudas" means from northern Greece (Macedonia). The prefix "Kondo" often designates an island (kondo is Greek for short").
Before 1925 all Greek records were recorded in the church - so you'd have to look there to get what you needed. I'd recommend enlisting the services of a professional who can visit the church and read their original records, it's difficult yes, but not impossible!
I see the site you work at is British. Is there much difference between searching family history for Britains, Americans, etc.? Is one easier or harder? Americans for the most part are a little luckier, their publicly available censuses go up to 1940 which covers a great many parents and grandparents already - here in the UK thanks to privacy laws we only have up to 1911 released (and after 1921 it gets hard as 1931 was destroyed and 1941 was never taken thanks to the war). Passenger lists on ships leaving and arriving the states are a great resource and so it's usually quite easy to cover someones history from arrival in the US to the current day. Where you back to your ancestral home results are different - European wars have often caused the destruction of records (particularly in Ireland and Germany/the Soviet Union).
A lot of it though is down to chance. sometimes you'll find someone with an easy to find name who's from a region with very undamaged and complete records, others it can be an absolute nightmare (there are over 50,000 John smiths in the UK). That's half of the fun though!
Speaking of passenger lists, I have an ancestor who came to Connecticut around the 1630's. But nobody has been able to find a record of him outside of America. I'm assuming he probably came from Britain, so if that's true how complete and available are passenger lists from that era? In honesty at that point near nonexistent. If the name is rare enough you may be able to pick them up in parish records in the UK and hope it disappears at about the same time yours appears? Drop me a name and some further details and I'll try to take a look for you.
1) What websites do you recommend other than and I'd say every website has its own unique record collections, if you've exhausted those ones then naturally I'd recommend as the next biggest to take a look at (I do work there, but there are thing that may well help you out) - perhaps dig around a free search and see if there's anything that might fill in a gap you might have before taking the plunge and investing.
Is findmypast geared toward UK records, or does it also have records from America? I ad considered looking there and signing up, but I thought it was just UK. If not, I might have to give it a go to find some info on a small branch of my tree from Ireland. We have a relatively new world collection that you probably didn't see last time you were on there, that runs with the .com, .au and .ie sites, they cover British, Irish, American and Australian/NZ records - If you are looking at Irish records which I'm sure you know are quite difficult with the destruction of many of them we've got the most complete Griffiths' valuation (which is still growing) that should help a fair bit in addition to some amazing petty sessions and court records (I love the petty sessions, the detail in those and the prison records can be fantastic if you are lucky/unlucky enough to find your ancestors in them).
As I said I'd never recommend buying without trying first, so take advantage of the free trial and see if you can break through any brick walls before you leap in. Hope that helps you out.
Is it more difficult or impossible researching the history of immigrants? I am assuming Eastern Europeans backgrounds are harder than Western and Asian/African histories are more difficult than European? It's never impossible - You'll actually find that the most full and accurate genealogy in history is Chinese, covering the descendants of Confucius (they were given a special status in Chinese civil service) There are more than 1.3 million living descendants and it's still incomplete! here's a link to a little more info - Link to
African history is unfortunate, records of families were passed orally and so were lost quite easily - that is a difficult one.
Almost every government in Europe had a vested interest in keeping track of their citizens for taxation and demographic purposes, together with other sources - so I'd say that again you'll find records everywhere, just some sets of records in different European places will be far more complete than others.
How could you look for your family tree in countries like France and Germany? Are there sites for those countries too? Digitisation is still relatively new but it's ongoing - Depending on where you are going back to you've always got national government archives, plus I'd try a site like Link to and see what they have.
Once you've done that then start to broaden out to more specialist sites or locations to get a a better picture.
We're most records lost in the last 100 years or so? For the most part yes, as all these records were vast mountains of paper it's just all too easy for a spark from a bomb or fire to send the whole lot in flames. A great amount were lost across Europe during the reformation too though, burnt along with the monasteries and churches that kept them in the 1500s.
I saw earlier you pointed out how Germany lost quite a bit during the Wars, and I know here in Ireland during the civil war in the 1920's we lost a 1000 years of documents! The Irish records are a genuine tragedy. It's not just the civil war that caused that - whoever gave the order to pulp the 1881 and 1891 census for paper during the first world war should have been shot. That's just awful. Having spent a weekend in Dublin this month at the Back To Our Past family history show my heart goes out to how hard it can be with Irish ancestors.
We're there many copies made of them at all or we're they pretty much stand alone? Like was there any more centralized hub's so to speak or we're the churches and monasteries at the time the most central it got? I never knew about the first world war pulping. It does make your blood boil alright. It's quite interesting though how certain events can be so damaging to history. On my mother side, we can trace it back to the early 19th century if not the end of the 18th century. On my father side however we can trace it back to the 16th century where they came from Summerset in the UK. How difficult would it be to trace back family history's in non western nations? I'm assuming area's that had a imperial presence from Europe benefited somewhat more with records. But if not or even before that was there much if any records kept? When you talk about non western nations are we talking about colonial nations or places like China and Japan? Give me some examples and I'll do my best to point you in the right direction.
Well both actually hah. Japanese village records going back to 709 have actually been digitised already, not to mention clan genealogy.
The Chinese take their family heritage seriously, so you'll quite often be lucky and find immaculate genealogies passed from generation to generation - Try this site and it might give you what you need Link to
My mother was adopted. We have no idea who her parents were. How would I go about determining what ethnicity I descend from on her side? Is there genetic testing for this sort of thing? There is, it's come on remarkably in recent years - I've not used any of the competing companies and I'm by no means an expert on that (it's still quite a new field) so I can't personally recommend you one to use, but you should be able to get a full breakdown of where your ancestors most likely came from fairly easily.
Google for Genetic Genealogy testing and compare a few, one of those should more than be perfect for what you need.
Have you ever searched someone's family history and had the pleasure to tell them that they were decendents of royalty? I have! You'd be surprised how often that happens you know. Everyone has two parents, four grandparents, multiplying by two for each generation meaning you have more ancestors than people who have ever existed on earth once we get to the 8/900s. Anyone who's line hasn't died out from that era you can be quite confident of being related to in some way. It's statistically a near certainty that if you are of European heritage you are a direct descendant of the emperor Charlemagne.
You can't brag about that though until you found the proof! I refer to one time a month or so ago at a family history show in Dublin, where I met a lady who started tracing her family tree a few weeks earlier out of curiosity and found she was a descendant of a "Clement Winstanley", a fairly well to do man from the late 1700s. Clement had ordered a personal genealogy in the past (This hobby has been going on for a long time!) which was located and a full pedigree listed going right the way back to King Edward III! That was quite the find for an unassuming lady from the Irish countryside!
It's statistically a near certainty that if you are of European heritage you are a direct descendant of the emperor Charlemagne. There has been a lot of research about that actually - 8-10% of asians are direct descendants and as many as 1 in 200 men worldwide!
Damn, that's cool (although it would be far cooler if one's a distant descendant of Genghis Khan) Take a look at this - Link to
I thought it was something like 30% for all asians. Interesting. I find genealogy very intriguing, also language genealogy. The fact that in the end very human is related to another is very humbling. And, in some ways, fun. The research into "Adam and Eve" is quite strange if you ever look into that when reading up. The notion that there actually was an Adam and Eve (though not in the religious depiction, they lived thousands of years apart) that we all share our lineage from many tens of thousands of years ago always blows my mind.
How much easier is Genealogy now that many web sites have transcribed handwritten records all over the place? Infinitely! I'd say it's the singular biggest development in the industry since its inception. In the past (and I work with people who've been doing this their whole lives and remember this) you'd have to book days in archives that could be up to thousands of miles away and spend your whole day wearing white gloves delicately leafing through thousands of documents in the hope you might find something of use. now you can sit at home and search billions of records at the press of a button, examining only those that are likely matches and even being shown matches from sets of records you would never have even known to look at. The value of that just..can't be overestimated.
How accurate are the websites that claim to give you your family crest? Family origins are well and good but quite often surnames derive from a profession (as the case of Smith or Cooper), an ancestor (like Anderson or Jones). You could quite reasonably accurately pinpoint a national origin based on surname, but I'd say the rest would be more speculative and wouldn't go into too much detail.
There are surnames that have derived independently in opposite sides of the country as corruptions of very different names (as literacy was often not great in the past spellings would change sometimes from generation to generation, I've found three different spellings of my surname in previous proven ancestors myself).
Do you believe in evolution? If so can you believe that so many people don't? If not, why not? I do believe in evolution, though I try not to judge others on what they believe as much as possible - we've both got access to the same facts, if they choose to come to a totally different conclusion I guess that's their look out. I'd happily debate the issue with them over a drink though all night long.
Ohh ok, I've heard that, my last name is Pottle, so it probably came from potter right? But that's not really what I meant, maybe I worded it wrong, what I meant was the images like what would have been on my shield if I were a knight. Coat of arms were granted to a person and their descendants, so you'd have a "Pottle" coat possibly, but you'd then have to find some way to link yourself to those particular Pottle descendants as opposed to a different group of people with that surname. That will be A Pottle crest definitely, but if it's your ancestors you'd have to prove with research. Who might find someone even more worthy of a coat of arms!
Do you have tons of people always asking if they were related to royalty? I'd say it's one of the more common requests. People quite often want to find that link because we know so many stories about royals, the things they did, the lavish places they lived and how they went about their business.
It is powerful enough to find that link, but I've seen so much more moving stories from pit miners and travelling salesmen, people who didn't live in palaces but through the records we've managed to illuminate their whole lives and show the hardships they endured & the fantastic things they managed to still do.
Can I know if the son of a girl is mine or my brother? Maybe the DNA is to alike. You'll have different markers in your DNA that are unique to you - the chances of having an incorrect DNA match are 1 in millions, no matter how closely related you are. A modern DNA test can quite accurately tell you parentage of anyone if you've got proper samples from everyone concerned.
Hey! Is it possible to make a full-time living as a geneaologist? How much do they charge per hour? It is, I know a great deal of them - rates per hour vary wildly usually depending on the difficulty of a project and how much specialist knowledge is required. The best paid ones tend to be able to visit archives and get records that other people can't, coupled with skills in that area to know what to look for if the trail goes cold. You'd be surprised how many experts can be completely stumped for another to stroll over and instantly solve a mystery!
What are some tricks that you might have for researching matrilineal lines of descent? Marriage certificates! You quite often find the father of the bride listed in these, which gives you a maiden surname and a new line of inquiry straight away!
Icelandic here, so I can trace my ancestry back to the 800's (yay I'm inbred). So along with being of Norse ancestry, I have quite a lot of Celtic/Irish ancestors as well. I find their ancestry quite interesting, do you know more about them? As in did they all look the same? (Reddish hair, freckles, their eye colour etc.) and from what regions have they (my celtic ancestors) originated from before they even found the British Isles? We are all pretty inbred when you go that far back! I wouldn't worry about that. There was no uniform look in the British Isles, though Red hair was far more common here than elsewhere definitely. Over 40% of Irish carry the gene for example.
Celts originated in North Africa and migrated through Iberia (you'll still find a significant minority of redheads in the Basque country) and Britanny before crossing to the British isles. You'll find a lot of genetic similarity between these peoples, together with a degree of closeness of language too!
Which way are you supposed to go with the genealogy stuff? With who was married to whom (and therefore legally father), or with the real father (or mother if different) if the legal and social father did not match the biological father? Social or biological ancestry? Genealogy is an open field - Some people research only direct ancestors, some build a picture of an entire family, others build in the trees of people who married into a family to make the biggest interconnected picture they can!
Who is the person you know who can track their family tree back the farthest? How far back does it go> Professionally that would be the descendants of the philosopher Confucius - Anyone related to Confucius was offered special status in Chinese civil service and so his genealogy has been recorded now since 500bc. There are over 1.3 million living descendants in the last published edition, going right up to his 79th generation.
Personally I know a few people who can get back to the 900s thanks to being related to nobility. To get past the dark ages is near impossible thanks to record destruction so I'd be very impressed if you could get much further. Some of these dark ages kings wrote their own genealogies to legitimise themselves that were less than honest..One I remember boasted being a descendant of not only Julius Caesar but the Viking god Odin. So make of that what you will.
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